World XI Since 1990 -
1. Gooch 2. Dravid 3. Ponting 4. Tendulkar 5. Lara 6. Kallis 7. Gilchrist 8. Akram 9. Warne 10. Ambrose 11. McGrath
If the three debutants make their bows at Sydney how many will that bring us to?
11 who played at Bris, Stokes, Panesar, Bresnan & Bairstow have featured from memory so far, so 18? That's an awful lot for a tour.
I think this is up/down there in the worst Ashes series I can recall. The uniformity of direness has made it so. Even in 06/07 we had a couple of double tons at Adelaide.
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No, I'd have been thirteen, so have some memories of it. The most enduring being our inability to dismiss SR Waugh until the third test (if memory serves).
This series (apart from Stokes at Perth) has been horrible from bottom to top.
Yeah this is the worst England performance I've endured, not just Ashes
Yes 1989 was a shocker as Boycs would say. Captain misery putting us well and truly to the sword.
1989 was probably the worst as we were totally uncompetitive throughout - but the next seven series were pretty grim as well
I have to confess, nearly seven weeks or so since Brisbane and I'm still shocked at what England has produced this series. I didn't think they were all that, but did think them a solid, professional, experienced outfit.
I thought we may win this series on our turf, because of depth in bowling and because we just needed one or two blokes to catch fire with the cue to support Clarke - something more likely to happen at home in a slightly inexperienced side than away.
While England hasn't bowled as well as the home series, tttt the attack hasn't been terrible - they've taken enough early poles to have Australia in strife enough times to win the series. It seems, though, that England as a unit has completely lost the ability to go up a gear with the bat.
There have been a number of times they've been in a decent position, but a combo of good bowling and this strange becalmedness and lack of intent means they don't advance the game. So they'll be 60-70 odd overs into their innings and might be three or four down, but it's 3/140 or 150 odd. Lose a couple of poles and it's all out 200 stuff.
It's a bit like when I started playing golf and wouldn't hit my driver because I couldn't control it. Bloke I was playing with said "if yer gonna be in the ****, you may as well be in the **** 60 yards further along the hole."
Seven majors later and I still thank him
I know we all have a giggle here about #intent, but lack of it has seriously hurt England this series. It's been coming for a while with how they've batted over the past couple of years, but it's really bent them over this tour.
1989, for precisely the reasons given by Burgey.
There are parallels with the current series - England the holders and probable favourites, an unheralded Aussie team on the back of a really poor period, and a complete an utter thrashing handed out to the Poms.
But somehow this isn't quite as horrific as that. Partly because it happens at night and we don't have to watch. Partly because England is a more professional outfit now and there doesn't seem a realistic prospect of a repeat of the misery years of the 90s. And maybe partly because I have a bit more of a sense of perspective these days. I'm nearly as old as Burgey after all.
It being at night makes this worse than a home defeat for me. At least I have not been absolutely shattered for no good ****ing reason when I watch us play turd at home
Bunch of ****s, seriously
Yes, you're right, when you stay up to follow it there's a terrible physical and emotional investment involved. It's enormously better to be hallucinating with tiredness when elated (2010/11) than when depressed (1990/91; 1994/95; 1998/99; 2002/03; 2006/07).
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