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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    That was 91jmay or whatever the **** he's called IIRC.
    Do one ****.

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    Fact is that Flower has been appallingly let down by a pretty experienced bunch of players. Nine innings completed, and not one of our guys has made 300 runs in the series is a shocking statistic that says everything about their lack of stomach for the game. No wonder he says he wants to stick around to wield the big knife and enjoy getting rid of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    Fact is that Flower has been appallingly let down by a pretty experienced bunch of players. Nine innings completed, and not one of our guys has made 300 runs in the series is a shocking statistic that says everything about their lack of stomach for the game. No wonder he says he wants to stick around to wield the big knife and enjoy getting rid of them.

    Drastic changes now needed and Flower needs to get it right. The ECB have firmly backed him even after this latest debacle. He must indeed be firmly in credit with them.

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    Anyone see him nearly get all chirpy and sarcastic earlier when answering questions, just in time he thought better of it, im just annoyed looking at him now.

    Another thing which grates, why is it whenever he used to get asked about his future when England were winning he would be all coy and never give a direct answer, now after England have been utterly bummed senseless hes piping up that he definately wants to stay and is staying and will build a new team etc...

    You wait in the summer against India, we will be batting for draws on day 2 again, the whole negative mindset and dour cricket wont ever change with him in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark68 View Post
    Drastic changes now needed and Flower needs to get it right. The ECB have firmly backed him even after this latest debacle. He must indeed be firmly in credit with them.
    Hes well out of credit now, he should be massively in debt after this, hes just presided over possibly the worst most embarrassingly gutless ****house performance ever, not just by the English cricket team but by any English/British sporting team in history.

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    Athers and Nasser had some bad teams but this one was worse. 5 nil in the manner it was accepted should have the players and the coaches being questioned. Was Flower this negative as a player? I remember him being a decent bat but didnt see Zimbabwe that often.

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    Mike Selvey has wrote today that Flower staying on is contingent on KP being dropped. If that is the case then its Adios Andy for me. Done a lot of very good things for England cricket but we need a new direction, new style of play and KP needs to be a part of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    Mike Selvey has wrote today that Flower staying on is contingent on KP being dropped. If that is the case then its Adios Andy for me. Done a lot of very good things for England cricket but we need a new direction, new style of play and KP needs to be a part of that.
    Absolutely, the audacity of this man is a ****ing joke, who the hell does he think he is to be setting conditions for his services after the abortion we have just witnessed.

    If you are reading this Flower, **** off you arrogant ****!

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    Having just presided over a 5-0 drubbing, Flower's in absolutely no position to be making demands when it comes to personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Having just presided over a 5-0 drubbing, Flower's in absolutely no position to be making demands when it comes to personnel.
    I sincerely doubt he's throwing ultimatums about. I more picture it that he thinks KP should be axed and if he doesn't have the selectors' backing on it then they probably need a new man in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    Mike Selvey has wrote today that Flower staying on is contingent on KP being dropped. If that is the case then its Adios Andy for me. Done a lot of very good things for England cricket but we need a new direction, new style of play and KP needs to be a part of that.
    Should go if this is true

    **** it, he should go anyway after 5-0 and arguably one of the biggest team meltdowns in sports history

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    If it's true, they don't need to be reviewing Flower's position, they need to be reviewing his sanity.

    We lost badly 5-0, let's drop the guy who scored the most runs in our team and the guy who can still threaten the opposition.

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    Bad apples should be thrown out.

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    Sadly it does have an air of verisimilitude.

    Have history, don't they? Even leaving aside 2012, KP issued a similar ultimatum when he was skipper under Moores. He also wanted Flower (then the batting coach, if memory serves) out with the head coach.

    There is no point dropping any of Cook, Bell or Pietersen because, as Trescothick said on the Ashes Verdict on Monday, they'd go back to CC and dominate to a stupid extent. They're better than the alternatives.

    I am a Flower fan, but all coaches have shelf lives with teams and it could be he's reached his.
    - As featured in The Independent.

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