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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Very underrated bowler, Such, tbf.

    We've had far, far worse. Quite possibly the best offie we've had in my watching career before Swann came along, although I didn't really see Embers in his cups. Was largely bowling on fumes by the time I can remember him.

    Maybe even the best slow bowler full stop, actually.

    Such always seemed to lose out because other options batted better.
    That's interesting to hear. He played something like 7 tests didn't he? Why do you rate him that high?
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    Well he played 11 tests and 7 were against the top side in the world and overall got 37 wickets @ 33.56

    He'd walk into the side with figures like that now.

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    Played minor counties for Cambs for one.

    For two, as Heef suggests, he was actually a genuine attacking option, whereas most of our slow options in my youth seemed to be an excuse for AN Seamer to rest his wearisome feet for a few overs whilst not going for too many.

    I'm pretty sure he never toured on the subcontinent, so his record (abbreviated as it is) stands comparison to any of his (English) peers, low bar as that is.
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    Peter Such, unlike Emburey and indeed most English spinners, gave the ball a helluva tweak - don't suppose he is as well endowed as Embers mind, although by all accounts very few are


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Kerrigan definitely had the best credentials going on first class output, but it just didn't happen for him at The Oval, to put it very politely.

    Borthwick's batting well, but a tyro leggie against Sri Lanka and then India could be sheer murder for the boy.
    Saw Borthwick two years ago; is there any reason to believe that he's not just another Rashid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Saw Borthwick two years ago; is there any reason to believe that he's not just another Rashid?
    I gather that his figures in 2013 were a significant improvement on 2012. But it's very, very early days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Saw Borthwick two years ago; is there any reason to believe that he's not just another Rashid?
    Batting #3 for Durham is certainly not an easy job given how their home deck plays; the fact that he's still managed to average 40+ in that role makes me more optimistic about his batting than Rashid's. I definitely don't think there's much to get excited about with his bowling though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    There are no doubts about his legendary status. My favourite shot of his was the exaggerated leave falling away to the leg side which would inevitably leave him on his arse.

    Edit: I also love the way he raised the bat to acknowledge the crowd as he walked off. Also note that Fleming's tactics to Ramprakash & Such was very, very similar (and equally flawed) as Cook's to Haddin & Lyon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Batting #3 for Durham is certainly not an easy job given how their home deck plays; the fact that he's still managed to average 40+ in that role makes me more optimistic about his batting than Rashid's. I definitely don't think there's much to get excited about with his bowling though.
    My Rashid reference was in terms of him ending up being a better batsman than bowler; a bit like a young Steve Smith. So that's probably quite likely then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    My Rashid reference was in terms of him ending up being a better batsman than bowler; a bit like a young Steve Smith. So that's probably quite likely then...
    Yeah, it's pretty much already happened.

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