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England Tour Squad for Australia

flibbertyjibber

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I'm not saying Rashid is what i'd seriously do but if they are trying something funky because they are worried about Bresnan then that is probably a better option than Woakes or Kerrigan if they get stuck.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
All the talk I heard about Kerrigan before yesterday was that he really gives the ball a rip and is an attacking spinner, and 11 5fers in 48 FC matches is no bad return.

We'll see, as others have said it will be more mental than anything else to see if he can turn yesterday's disaster around.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
All the talk I heard about Kerrigan before yesterday was that he really gives the ball a rip and is an attacking spinner, and 11 5fers in 48 FC matches is no bad return.
He definitely is an attacking spinner, but I think a lot of the turn he gets comes from how much he tosses it up. Tossing it up a lot is fine as long as you're putting enough on it to make it dip due to overspin rather than just gravity, but I don't think he really does put a lot on it so international batsmen who can predict the flight of the ball better from the hand and use their feet better could really put him under some pressure, even when he's not got the yips or whatever he had yesterday. His performances were certainly good enough to deserve a chance to prove me wrong so I had no real issue with his selection as such; I was just really pessimistic about it based on what I'd seen from him. It's particularly unfortunate that he hasn't really given himself a chance to prove me wrong about his bowling style, by not bowling anywhere near as well as he does on a regular basis.
 
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wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
He'll be there with the Lions though will he not? Can't imagine the tracks will be helpful either, so we'll see how he goes at probably his level atm.
Yeah, I'm fine with him playing for the Lions this winter. I'd just be very worried how he'd cope with test match cricket in Australia at this point.
 

grecian

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Rashid, you have to be kidding me talking about him as a serious bowling option in Tests, he'd get slaughtered. Genuinely would rather have Root bowl.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Rashid, you have to be kidding me talking about him as a serious bowling option in Tests, he'd get slaughtered. Genuinely would rather have Root bowl.
Haha yeah, definitely shouldn't be picked as a frontline bowler. I was basically just thinking that if Swann's injured, Panesar's a non-starter and you're playing at Brisbane for example, picking four seamers makes a lot more sense than picking a sub-standard finger spinner. Given the sixth batsman seems pretty dispensable at the moment you could then pick a batting allrounder to bat 6 or 7 and bowl some spin. Rashid's had a good season with the bat and Australian pitches suit leggies much more than finger spinners of the same standard. I guess you might as well just give Root a trundle in that situation anyway as you said; not really worth it.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Prior having a bad summer doesn't suddenly change the fact that he's one of England's six best batsmen, no matter how pessimistically you want to look at your cricket side. I'd certainly rather have him at six than Bairstow or Taylor at this point; the downside to him moving there is the opportunity cost of him batting seven rather than the fact that he's not good enough to do it. But there's never going to be a truly desirable balance with Swann injured and Panesar out of the picture, is there?
I'm not sure whether Panesar's definitely out of the picture. Let's hope not, because there's lots of daylight between him and our 3rd option.

Regarding Prior, being a very good number 7 doesn't necessarily mean he'd cut it at number 6. And given what we've seen from England's batting over the last 20 months, I don't think they'd want to take that risk. You're dead right that there's no ideal answer. Even Panesar causes problems with the tail if Finn or Tremlett is playing as 3rd seamer. It would be interesting to see what Patel's figures are for the season, as I genuinely don't know how he's gone this year.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I'm not sure whether Panesar's definitely out of the picture. Let's hope not, because there's lots of daylight between him and our 3rd option.
Yeah was just a hypothetical really; I think he'll be on the plane. We don't really know whatever it is he's going through though.

It would be interesting to see what Patel's figures are for the season, as I genuinely don't know how he's gone this year.
23 wickets @ 48. Best of 3/40. He's also averaging 34 with the bat but it seems to be littered with failures in that he's only actually passed 50 twice (tonned up both times).
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Patel's a batsman ffs.
Yeah but four seamers and someone like Patel would probably be a decent balance for Perth and Brisbane if Swann was injured and Patel was at the top of his game. Don't think anyone actually thinks he should come in as a specialist bowler.

The thing with Patel is though, while playing against Australia might suit him, the conditions would be absolutely horrible for both his batting style and his bowling style.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah was just a hypothetical really; I think he'll be on the plane. We don't really know whatever it is he's going through though.



23 wickets @ 48. Best of 3/40. He's also averaging 34 with the bat but it seems to be littered with failures in that he's only actually passed 50 twice (tonned up both times).
OK - just pondering really. No great grounds for optimism, but sounds like he's better than Tredwell though.

Briggs maybe? Again I struggle to follow what passes for a FC structure nowadays.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Basically Swann just can't get injured.

If Monty cannot go then Kerrigan was quite obviously the best option looking at county performances, I think we have to put yesterday down to nerves but it certainly makes it a more difficult decision than if he had not played this test.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah but four seamers and someone like Patel would probably be a decent balance for Perth and Brisbane if Swann was injured and Patel was at the top of his game. Don't think anyone actually thinks he should come in as a specialist bowler.

The thing with Patel is though, while playing against Australia might suit him, the conditions would be absolutely horrible for both his batting style and his bowling style.
You may as well just play Root and 4 seamers in that case. Or Moeen Ali because that would just be great.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Forget picking bowlers. Our XI should quite clearly be:

Carberry
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Moeen
Bopara
Patel
Stokes
Kieswetter +
Wright
Woakes

Woakes and Stokes open the bowling; Bopara and Wright first change; Spin options from Moeen, Patel, Root, Pietersen and Carberry; and a bit of medium pace from Trott. If we need an extra bowling option, Kieswetter can take the gloves off and bowl a bit of 'right-arm slow' that's been so effective in domestic cricket.
 

Jarquis

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Does that actually tie him up? I thought it had to be a full international?

Wasn't Alam playing for Aus A before he became eligible for Australia, thus suggesting that A / Lions games are completely meaningless in terms of international availability.
Colville just said on The Verdict that Jordan playing today means he'll have to requalify if he wishes to play for the WI as the Lions count as a 'senior England side'.
 

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