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    No reason for England to change the side if all are fit.

    They can trust in Bairstow - the days of one or two games for a youngster and if you don't produce you are gone are past. One good score could launch his career. They can afford to wait.

    No worthwhile logic in 'resting' Anderson here.

    I trust nobody wants Bresnan dropped.

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    Problem for Bairstow is it's more than just one or two games now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Problem for Bairstow is it's more than just one or two games now though.
    Identify quality and stick with it = always a good policy.

    If he was tecnically or psychologically weak it would be a different matter.

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    They won't change anyone, I'd make a few changes, but I'm an idiot as my posting yesterday pretty much confirmed.

    I'd go

    Cook
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    Bresnan
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    Tremlett
    Panesar

    Think Tremlett and Panesar are horses-for-courses picks on this pitch, Root can bowl a bit of Off-spin too. Carbs is in such form, and can make use of the pitch to get us off to a flier. KP just doesn't look quite right to me, think he could do with a rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biryani Pillow View Post
    Identify quality and stick with it = always a good policy.

    If he was tecnically or psychologically weak it would be a different matter.
    He is technically weak, though. If he was technically weak and actually scoring runs it would be a different matter, but he's scored two fifties in his last eight tests.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    The other day I was talking with someone who knows Carberry very well (has acted as his Agent in the past).

    He reckons Carb feels he won't get in the Test team now (I felt he would be a good person to go in) and is now working more on his 50 over and swish and giggle game hoping to find a spot there.

    This person suggested he was given mixed messages from the management just before his Test selection, and a bit afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    He is tecI]h[/I]nically weak, though. If he was technically weak and actually scoring runs it would be a different matter, but he's scored two fifties in his last eight tests.
    Some good judges felt Viv Richards was technically weak.

    Turns out he wasn't.

    I don't think Bairstow is either.

    It's often a matter of a small tweak or two (as top golfers like Nick Faldo will tell you from another 'hit the ball' sport).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biryani Pillow View Post
    Identify quality and stick with it = always a good policy.
    Oh I totally agree, which is why I've been calling for Bairstow to be dropped for ages. He barely averages more than Tim Bresnan FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Oh I totally agree, which is why I've been calling for Bairstow to be dropped for ages. He barely averages more than Tim Bresnan FFS.
    Luckily I suspect the England Management know rather more about Bairstow's qualities and abilities than you do

    And they also know to play the long game where possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biryani Pillow View Post
    Some good judges felt Viv Richards was technically weak.

    Turns out he wasn't.

    I don't think Bairstow is either.

    It's often a matter of a small tweak or two (as top golfers like Nick Faldo will tell you from another 'hit the ball' sport).
    He has had the same technical weakness the entire time he has played tests though (shovelling through leg) he should be removed and told to go work on it away from the test arena. He's not scoring runs and looked like a frightened rabbit in the first innings at C-le-S.

    Vic Marks was saying in the guardian that he will be a perpetual tourer as he can act as the back up wicket keeper if Prior breaks a finger on the morning of an away test, and that's part of the reason they're trying to blood him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegionOfBrad View Post
    He has had the same technical weakness the entire time he has played tests though (shovelling through leg) he should be removed and told to go work on it away from the test arena. He's not scoring runs and looked like a frightened rabbit in the first innings at C-le-S.

    Vic Marks was saying in the guardian that he will be a perpetual tourer as he can act as the back up wicket keeper if Prior breaks a finger on the morning of an away test, and that's part of the reason they're trying to blood him.
    Buttler is favoured by England management ATM, for that reserve 'keeper thing, when did Bairstow last 'keep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biryani Pillow View Post
    Luckily I suspect the England Management know rather more about Bairstow's qualities and abilities than you do
    Logics like this are terrible on a forum. By that account we can never disagree with anything England, or even Australia, do, which means we can't give our own opinions on team selection etc, because our knowledge and understanding is completely inferior to those of the teams managements and selectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Buttler is favoured by England management ATM, for that reserve 'keeper thing, when did Bairstow last 'keep?
    Not in test cricket, surely? Much more likely to use Bairstow, Davies or even Kieswetter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Buttler is favoured by England management ATM, for that reserve 'keeper thing, when did Bairstow last 'keep?
    The only time he has played for Yorkshire this season is May 5th in the pro40 against Glamorgan.Scorecard.

    Judging by the team i assume he kept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Not in test cricket, surely? Much more likely to use Bairstow, Davies or even Kieswetter.
    Hey, I'm not in favour myself, just looking at the fact he's been picked as 'keeper in all the Lions squads. He did get that 100 on Sky remember......

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