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    whatever the real tactics were, it was dire to watch from day 2 till day 5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximas View Post
    whatever the real tactics were, it was dire to watch from day 2 till day 5
    I just don't understand the complaints. The majority of cricket used to be played like this and on tough wickets, a good chunk of batting is still like this.

    Maybe it's an Australian thing - and that's not an insult. If I grew up feasting on the run rate of guys like Hayden, Gilchrist, Ponting etc. then maybe I would have higher expectations of a player's strike rate. I, however, had to watch Chris Tavare.

    This batting display was positively a joy to watch compared to some.
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    They saved a test after the opposition scored 500, and then they almost won it. That alone absolves criticism of their tactics. Add in the broader context of them being 3-0 up in the series, and the mind boggles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    They saved a test after the opposition scored 500, and then they almost won it. That alone absolves criticism of their tactics. Add in the broader context of them being 3-0 up in the series, and the mind boggles...
    Cook & England made absolutely no attempt to play for a result for 4 and a half days. The only reason the final day became a contest was because Clarke was prepared to roll the dice by re-jigging his second innings batting order and sending them out to slog their way to a declaration enticing enough for England to have a go at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooksey View Post
    Cook & England made absolutely no attempt to play for a result for 4 and a half days.
    They just decided that they'd let Watson and Smith notch up centuries right?

    And it wasn't that they chose to respect good bowling from Harris and co, they just didn't want to win?

    smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    They just decided that they'd let Watson and Smith notch up centuries right?

    And it wasn't that they chose to respect good bowling from Harris and co, they just didn't want to win?

    smh

    This is the way you play test cricket. When you're behind, you fight hard to get in front.
    Were they playing for a result when Broad was bowling to Smith without a single fieldsman in a catching position?

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    Hooksey, the Aussies have just lost their 3rd consecutive Ashes series by 3 - zip............worry about your own ****ing tactics mate because Englands seem to be working just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    Hooksey, the Aussies have just lost their 3rd consecutive Ashes series by 3 - zip............worry about your own ****ing tactics mate because Englands seem to be working just fine.
    Australia's lack of recent success has been due to lack of on-field talent, not Clarke's or Australia's tactics. But thanks for your contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooksey View Post
    Were they playing for a result when Broad was bowling to Smith without a single fieldsman in a catching position?
    They were playing to get themselves into a position where they could consider pushing for a result.
    When the opposition has 500 on the board on a slow wicket, the first priority is not losing.

    Only one team came close to winning this test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    They were playing to get themselves into a position where they could consider pushing for a result.
    When the opposition has 500 on the board on a slow wicket, the first priority is not losing.

    Only one team came close to winning this test.
    England's first priority is far too often "not losing". That's why they score at 2.5 runs per over on good batting wickets and set negative fields.

    It's easy to win test matches when you have better cattle out there than the opposition, but tactically Cook is defensive and unimaginative.

    Australia could have settled for the boring draw Cook was content with but instead chose to make a game of it. Without Clarke's enterprise on the final day that test was dead in the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooksey View Post
    Without Clarke's enterprise on the final day that test was dead in the water.
    And England could have shut up shop and not gone for it at all. It takes two to tango, even though I agree that it was a sporting declaration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooksey View Post
    Australia's lack of recent success has been due to lack of on-field talent, not Clarke's or Australia's tactics. But thanks for your contribution.
    Lack of talent is the excuse of the loser.

    And are you really going to sit there and tell me the Australian batting line up doesn't possess the same level of hand eye coordination as England?

    England have scored more runs than Australia over the past few years because England are prepared to play to the situation, learn from their mistakes and work harder on ironing out flaws in their methods.

    There are a few exceptions of course - of the young batsmen Hughes and Smith have shown they're prepared to take the game seriously and work on their issues, but they have been failed by a system that hasn't recognised their problems before they earned their test whites and happily drops them or shuffles them around the batting order at the first sign of failure, knocking their confidence and meaning they have to start over. Then there are others who, despite some dead rubber success, have largely been given a free ride despite showing no desire to improve.

    So not only do England have more bottle and brains but they have a better system behind them for getting the best out of their players.

    For a nation who used to have the best system by far for helping players achieve their potential, Australia have fallen a long way. It's pretty unacceptable and they have a lot of ground to make up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Lack of talent is the excuse of the loser...
    You are taking the piss

    Going into this series how many of the Australian players would you put in a combined team made up of the two countries?

    Clarke and.......and??.......and??

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    look I'm not going to pronounce Cook to be a good captain because I think he's ****, but there's nothing wrong with "not losing" as your first priority when your strength is winning by grinding teams, day by day, test by test into the ground.

    Asking Trott, Cook or Root to bat anything other than their natural game of eliminating risk (Ian Bell might even fit into this category lately) is just stupid. Root, Bell, driving against fast Harris away swingers would end in disaster for them.

    Instead they chose to recognise good bowling and play to the situation and their skill set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooksey View Post
    You are taking the piss

    Going into this series how many of the Australian players would you put in a combined team made up of the two countries?

    Clarke and.......and??.......and??
    You didn't get it at all did you?



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