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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
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    Step 1. Pick some middle order batsmen instead of 4 or 5 openers.

    We currently have Watson, Rogers, Warner, Cowan and Hughes on tour (with four of them in the team together). They're all openers FFS. And we also have Khawaja, who basically has an opener's technique.

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    Australia are just as bad as everyone thinks but I agree that their situation is no reason to panic, it happens sometimes. A lot of England's important players were absolute balls at the same stage in their career as the Australians are now.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Ok. We've lost two tests. The first could have easily gone either way. We were righteously smashed up the date in the second test, but we were also shafted by not breaking a significant partnership when Smith's catch was disallowed, and Twatto shafted all his team mates with his self indulgent reviews.
    No, the first Test could NOT have easily gone either way. Yeah, in the end it appeared so, But it only became close due to two great 10th wicket partnerships. Though I won't say that was simply good fortunes, it was (and still is) freakishly unlikely to happen!

    No doubt our main problem is our batting. We are particularly prone to collapses, and obviously because of that we are not creating significant partnerships.

    The main issue I see is at the selection table. We are selecting batsmen for a couple of tests, then dropping them after low scores. I think the selectors need to be definite here. They need to select players, particularly batsmen, with two attributes. Technique and temperament.

    I think there selectors really need to decide who is our best top six (technique and temperament) for the next 2 and basically stick with them. I think we need to stop playing openers at six, and mediocre allrounders as openers, and openers at 3, and Clarke anywhere but 5 etc etc.

    Here are my thoughts on Australia's batsmen...

    Watson- time to be dropped for good. Has had enough chances. Cannot convert starts, and has a massive technical flaw.

    Rogers- will be a series by series proposition at his age. I rate him as an opener, shows some grit. I've been pleasantly surprised by his fielding considering he's a ranga with glasses.

    Khawaja- I feel Australia owe this guy an extended run in the test team. And I think he has the goods to make it.

    Hughes- I like him as a guy, but he has massive flaws for an elite batsman. I think he either opens or doesn't play.

    Clarke- good etc etc

    Smith- has grown on me in these two tests. Seems to want "it" more than some others. Nice player of spin, and good in the field.

    Warner- should figure prominently based on raw ability. Far more than just a slogger, has a nice compact technique. Needs to be in the right headspace.

    Cowan- seems like a champ but lacks the killer instinct. I'd love to see him carve a test career as a reliable opener averaging 40 plus, but I'm not sure he can do it.

    Haddin- makes runs sometimes but has brain diahorrea sometimes too.

    I'd love to hear who else people rate. Doolan, Burns, Maddinson and Henriques have all made runs for Aust A.

    In all honesty, if you were Australian selector right, who would you pick right now if all players are available? A top seven to lock in for the next 12-24 months.
    I think there is no way selectors can solve the problem! Clarke apart, not one single Australian batsman is really Test worthy. Haddin, Smith and even Watson are (arguably) probably ok, as they can perform in other roles as well, but that's it.

    If I were an Oz selector, I would seriously bring back MHussey, Katich & Ponting.


    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    My point was our pace bowling is top notch and we probably only need to develop two more good batsmen.
    I do agree the Aussie problems are in their batting department. And yeah, their bowling future looks bright enough. But I disagree it is top notch. Siddle & Harris are good. But Pattinson is not as good (yet) as expected. And Ashton Agar has stormed into Test Cricket with a great knock, but has bowling figures of 2 for 248....
    Cook, Trott & Pietersen haven't been firing on all cylinders yet. I can see the Aussie bowlers going for a few more!


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    Still amazed at the people writing off Pattinson based on one or two Tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Australia are just as bad as everyone thinks but I agree that their situation is no reason to panic, it happens sometimes. A lot of England's important players were absolute balls at the same stage in their career as the Australians are now.
    Only Anderson & Broad, me thinks. Since they are bowlers, the problems are not really easy to compare, I guess.
    None of the current England batsmen have ever been so dodgy as the Oz batsmen (apart form Clarke). Not even Ian Bell, though some might disagree. Bell has more fifties than Pietersen or Cook, from fewer innings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Still amazed at the people writing off Pattinson based on one or two Tests.
    Not writing him off but expected an awful lot more from him. He has to learn quickly from what has happened on tour so far or could end up having one like Johnson did. I think he is much better than that though and has more mental strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Still amazed at the people writing off Pattinson based on one or two Tests.
    I'm not writing him off! Surely not! But he is not yet where he can, and some day, will be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stapel View Post
    Only Anderson & Broad, me thinks. Since they are bowlers, the problems are not really easy to compare, I guess.
    None of the current England batsmen have ever been so dodgy as the Oz batsmen (apart form Clarke). Not even Ian Bell, though some might disagree. Bell has more fifties than Pietersen or Cook, from fewer innings!
    Bell only really had problems with Warne and McGrath and he wasn't the only bat in the world to struggle against them.None of the England batting (Bairstow apart) has ever seen their average in the low 30's after a significant number of tests.

    This current Aussie lot make the old England line up of Atherton, Butcher, Hussain, Thorpe, Ramprakash and Hick look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Not writing him off but expected an awful lot more from him. He has to learn quickly from what has happened on tour so far or could end up having one like Johnson did. I think he is much better than that though and has more mental strength.
    Pattinson wasn't even that bad in the first test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Still amazed at the people writing off Pattinson based on one or two Tests.
    hadnt noticed. must be from the posters who i routinely dont read
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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Bell only really had problems with Warne and McGrath and he wasn't the only bat in the world to struggle against them.None of the England batting (Bairstow apart) has ever seen their average in the low 30's after a significant number of tests.

    This current Aussie lot make the old England line up of Atherton, Butcher, Hussain, Thorpe, Ramprakash and Hick look good.
    That one actually doesn't look that bad. The two poor ones at least dominated county cricket, and the top 4 were all decent at test level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stapel View Post
    No, the first Test could NOT have easily gone either way. Yeah, in the end it appeared so, But it only became close due to two great 10th wicket partnerships. Though I won't say that was simply good fortunes, it was (and still is) freakishly unlikely to happen!
    So the first test could have easily gone either way due to two great 10th wicket partnerships, right? We only fell 14 runs short, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    So the first test could have easily gone either way due to two great 10th wicket partnerships, right? We only fell 14 runs short, right?
    My point is that, if Australia had won, it would have been due to an 80 runs last wicket partnership. By no means would that have been an easy way to win..... I think it was just freakish it got that close! But yeah, it did indeed get very close. Yet, had the Aussies pulled it off, it would, in imho, have been a really freaky win! Not a win the Aussies should draw any conclusion they are close to England anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Bell only really had problems with Warne and McGrath and he wasn't the only bat in the world to struggle against them.None of the England batting (Bairstow apart) has ever seen their average in the low 30's after a significant number of tests.

    This current Aussie lot make the old England line up of Atherton, Butcher, Hussain, Thorpe, Ramprakash and Hick look good.
    To add to Bell's defense: Only Pietersen and Collingwood scored more runs than Bell in the 06/07 Ashes.

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