View Poll Results: Would you sub out Nathan Lyon for Trent Bridge?

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  • Yes - Lyon for Starc

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Thread: Australia - should they field four quicks?

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    If Watson is fit to bowl then no they need the variation of Lyon. Might work in a match but not over a series. Only reason to pick 4 quicks + Watson is the fact they are really scared that Harris/Watson/Pattinson might break down in the match and if they think that then a spinner should always play as they can take up the slack anyway.

    I think Australia will be mad to not play a spinner, look at the Headingley test v NZ. Swann got a huge haul because the pitch turned, the ashes pitches will almost certainly do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy View Post

    2. Would be a waste of a new ball given five quicks will be using it, and none but Twatto are proven at reversing it.
    **** me, I really did have Watson underrated. When did he start reversing the new ball???

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    You gotta play ya spinner mate......
    Last edited by Adders; 28-06-2013 at 03:08 AM.

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    When 4 quicks are picked 1 of them generally gets under bowled anyway. It sounds cool but it doesn't really work as intended.

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    5 seamers would be crazy even for a team like Australia. Having a spinner is a must, especially when you take into account that English pitches support spin more than the ones in Australia. And none of the seamers have proven thet can effectively reverse the ball.

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    Am I missing something? Wouldn't Starc be in the team anyway? I'd consider Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Lyon to be the incumbent lineup. If we went with option 2, what would the team be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swingpanzee View Post
    You never know...
    Especially now that I've said it...

    But with Lyon bowling well currently you would think for this series at least Aus will continue to play him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Am I missing something? Wouldn't Starc be in the team anyway? I'd consider Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Lyon to be the incumbent lineup. If we went with option 2, what would the team be?
    Harris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    Harris.
    Ah right, forgot about him. I could see him not being in the first test team too though, if Starc bowled well again in the next game.
    Last edited by FaaipDeOiad; 28-06-2013 at 10:30 AM.

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    Has Starc bowled well?

    Again in this game he took until the 81st over to take his first wicket in the first dig after opening the bowling. In the second dig he took until the 50th over to bag a pole although at least then he was first change. He took 6 wickets in the game but only once got a top 5 bat. Patto took 7 wickets and 5 of those were top 5 bats.

    That's my beef with Starc. He doesn't ever seem to trouble good bats early in an innings and probably explains why his average is way above the guys he's competing for spots with. No one would say Pattinson or Harris or Bird or Siddle or Lyon can't take tail end wickets so there's no need for a specialist tail destroyer. So long as he is incapable of regularly getting early wickets he has no place in the test side for mine. Hope he comes good, because he could be a real weapon, but it'll take more than hope to knock over Cook, Trott, KP et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Am I missing something? Wouldn't Starc be in the team anyway? I'd consider Pattinson, Siddle, Starc, Lyon to be the incumbent lineup. If we went with option 2, what would the team be?
    I would think that both Harris and perhaps Bird are above Starc in the pecking order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adub View Post
    Has Starc bowled well?

    Again in this game he took until the 81st over to take his first wicket in the first dig after opening the bowling. In the second dig he took until the 50th over to bag a pole although at least then he was first change. He took 6 wickets in the game but only once got a top 5 bat. Patto took 7 wickets and 5 of those were top 5 bats.

    That's my beef with Starc. He doesn't ever seem to trouble good bats early in an innings and probably explains why his average is way above the guys he's competing for spots with. No one would say Pattinson or Harris or Bird or Siddle or Lyon can't take tail end wickets so there's no need for a specialist tail destroyer. So long as he is incapable of regularly getting early wickets he has no place in the test side for mine. Hope he comes good, because he could be a real weapon, but it'll take more than hope to knock over Cook, Trott, KP et al.
    I agree completely. All the radio commentators for the Somerset game are in unanimous agreement that Starc hasn't been that brilliant in the match and has certainly been out bowled by Pattinson. Yeah, he ran through a weak Somerset middle and lower order with a new cherry, but if Harris can't do that either, then really he's not worth persisting with because of his injuries. I've just never been that convinced about Starc.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    i think it's way too early to pigeonhole starc as having difficulty taking top order wickets, or even up front wickets. he's only played 9 tests. plus he's only 23. pattinson has managed 10 more wickets in their 288 overs (they are only 2 balls apart to date) and starc's strike rate is almost the same as siddle's and not far behind harris. with that scant evidence it's hard to be too critical, but I think starc's biggest issue really is his economy and lack of ability or willingness to change plans when something isn't working (ala perth v saffers)

    i don't have knowledge of his 1st class stats, and they're pretty painful to try to examine but i'd hazard a guess early poles and top order poles have not been an issue at that level anyway. having said all that, he still is behind pattinson and harris and i'd be having a siddle or bird to run in all day in my attack too, so he'd not play the 1st test.

    and yes play the spinner.
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    I'm not saying Starc is a bum. Merely that of the 5 front line bowlers we've got on tour he must be fairly ranked No.5. He can hopefully improve, but on this tour he should only play tests in case of injury. Pattinson, Harris, Bird and Siddle all offer more threat.

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    Daft thing is even now nobody has a clue what the order is for the Aussie pace attack. Pattinson to lead it and then any combination could be selected. Siddle has had a good run since the last ashes yet some of you say he shouldn't be in the side. God help you lot if they pick an attack that fails to produce on day 1 as the coach will get loads of stick for leaving out x and y.

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