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    Quote Originally Posted by LegionOfBrad View Post
    I don't like the Compton decision as I don't like Bairstow at 6. Who is next cab off the rank if Bairstow struggles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegionOfBrad View Post
    I don't like the Compton decision as I don't like Bairstow at 6. Who is next cab off the rank if Bairstow struggles?
    Would rather have my weakest batsman at 6 than opening.

    Also, without wanting to come across all Ian Chappell like, Baristow is a far more attacking player, he may not have totally convinced yet but he has demonstrated some talent. I just think it looks stronger with Root and Cook at the top, I don't expect Root to perform miracles in this series but I think he will score more than Compton would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
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    I'm happy with the Compton decision. He just hasn't convinced as test player and his strike rate is incredibly slow (34) even for a test opener, a real momentum dragger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expressway76 View Post
    I'm happy with the Compton decision. He just hasn't convinced as test player and his strike rate is incredibly slow (34) even for a test opener, a real momentum dragger.
    Nah, that's not an issue at all. He played on some horrendously slow pitches in India which didn't suit him at all, but he put on good opening stands and was actually very valuable. And then in NZ he hit hundreds on what was generally an awful tour for our batsmen.

    I agree with the selection to an extent as he seems such a limited player, but there's really no beef to be had with his Test performances so far. There's certainly nothing to suggest Bairstow has performed better at any level up to now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    There's certainly nothing to suggest Bairstow has performed better at any level up to now.

    Agreed. Bairstow is most definitely in the "unconvinced" category too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I agree with the selection to an extent as he seems such a limited player, but there's really no beef to be had with his Test performances so far. There's certainly nothing to suggest Bairstow has performed better at any level up to now.
    This is the key thing. I really wish the media would stop portraying it as Compton v Root. Both were previously in the test side, and Compton has been dropped to accommodate Bairstow at 6. Root v Compton is also makes it seem less favourable to the latter than Bairstow v Compton.

    I don't lik the decision for a few reasons. First of all, at the start of the year, England clearly thought he was the best man in the country to open the batting in tests. That was a decision justified by a weight of runs in County Cricket for a good two or three seasons, with the most recent a particularly successful season for Compton. Since then he's played five tests, averaged 30 and scored two tons (no England player has scored more incidentally). Is that really enough to justify dropping someone you thought was the best man for the job just four months ago? That they think it is, shows a lack of authority in their decision making. Yes not being stubborn is beneficial, but going back on your thoughts so quickly is also a bit worrying. If they only ever had him chalked in as a part time opener, while Root settled in in the middle order, then that's a totally different kettle of fish altogether. But I still don't like that. If they have done that, then they've basically plucked a guy out of County Cricket who was making runs for fun, and put him in expecting him to not go great, thereby harming his confidence and probably screwing over any chance he'll ever get to become a test cricketer.

    Which leads on to my second point. Compton is probably past the age where he can go back to County Cricket pile on runs again and push for a place a year or two later. Therefore by dropping him now it's pretty much straight up the end of his career. With Bairstow it's different, because he's always young enough to be on the fringes, and he was always going to be the reserve batsman if anyone got an injury during the Ashes, which lets face it, is hardly unlikely. If that happens now, what do they do. Surely they can't bring Compton back after straight up dropping him? So you're left with a total newbie coming in to play an Ashes test match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Which leads on to my second point. Compton is probably past the age where he can go back to County Cricket pile on runs again and push for a place a year or two later. Therefore by dropping him now it's pretty much straight up the end of his career. With Bairstow it's different, because he's always young enough to be on the fringes, and he was always going to be the reserve batsman if anyone got an injury during the Ashes, which lets face it, is hardly unlikely. If that happens now, what do they do. Surely they can't bring Compton back after straight up dropping him? So you're left with a total newbie coming in to play an Ashes test match.
    This is all pretty spurious. It could easily be that Compton has been told he has to play at least some county cricket to start making runs again this summer. And it does make sense to bring him back if JB fails - they're trying the risky option first and saving the limited option as plan B. I don't know if that's what they're doing, but it's not absurd. Remember Jonathan Trott was 28 when he made his debut in the Ashes 4 years ago, and Compton is 29. He's hardly decrepit.

    Sure it could be the end of his career, and if so I'm not going to be too upset to see him go, but for all we know it's a much more agreeable arrangement.

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    I suppose it can be considered a kind of proactive move in dropping Compton ahead of the Ashes rather than be in the position we were when Ravi Bopara was chosen to bat at three and failed on a few occasions before they opted to change it. Perhaps they envisaged a similar pattern occurring with Compton and would rather nip it in the bud before it happens. I would have preferred we had given him the chance to stake his claim in the Essex game, I think it is a tad harsh to leave him out after one poor series (two-Test at that) but having seen him up close they obviously have serious concerns over his ability to perform consistently at the highest level. Would love to know the actual reasons, technical or otherwise, for his omission. From what I've seen him I don't think his overall levels of performance have been bad enough to get the chop, in India him and Cook seemed to develop a good understanding and with the character and skill he showed in NZ I would have thought it would have bought him more time.

    The idea of Joe Root at the top must have been an idea the management have had their heart set on for a while, and the lad is so full of potential that you wouldn't back against him taking the Ashes by storm, but still feel Compton's been hard done to.
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    Would've had him playing in the Ashes ahead of Bairstow, especially since the latter hasn't played cricket for a few weeks.

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    I assume this has been on the cards for a while so I'd love to know why they've had Bairstow carrying drinks around for a month. They commented on this more than once on TMS.

    I still think England are a better team with Compton at the top than Bairstow at 6 and I hope he scores a stack of runs for Somerset.

    In 05 when they dropped Thorpe for KP it turned out to be the right choice so we shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    This is all pretty spurious. It could easily be that Compton has been told he has to play at least some county cricket to start making runs again this summer. And it does make sense to bring him back if JB fails - they're trying the risky option first and saving the limited option as plan B. I don't know if that's what they're doing, but it's not absurd. Remember Jonathan Trott was 28 when he made his debut in the Ashes 4 years ago, and Compton is 29. He's hardly decrepit.

    Sure it could be the end of his career, and if so I'm not going to be too upset to see him go, but for all we know it's a much more agreeable arrangement.
    Trott was 28 when he made his test debut, but it's kind off different with people making their debuts and people returning. Compton was a year older than Trott when he made his test debut, and will be 30 on Wednesday. Once you get the wrong side of 30, it's going to get pretty hard to have another shot, especially if the selectors didn't show much confidence originally when you weren't given a long run first time around.

    Sure they can recall Compton is JB fails, but it will just feel like such a backwards move. They've dropped the dogged county journeymen for the young and exciting up and coming incumbent, and suddenly reversing that after the latter fails would just seem like a "oh ****, we ****ed up" move, and would seem like the move of a panicking side. Not to different to Rogers selection really.

    My gripe is the timing as well really. Bairstow will probably be a top test batsman for England but there's really no need to rush things. These next tests are 100% now focused and 0% future focused, or at least they should be IMO, and going with Bairstow is the risky option. I wouldn't really mind if Compton had a meh couple of series, i.e. averaging 35-45 and they dropped him afterwards, as it could be a sign of building toward the future, but I just don't think that needs to be done now. Of course, they're probably not at all thinking of the future an just think JB is a better batsman than the Compdog, but it's an unnecessary risk to take IMO.

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    Where they bat is important though, as I said earlier I would rather have my weakest batsman at 6 than at the top. The not rushing thing argument is something I don't understand either, everyone seems to assume that Root is going to move up the order at some point, how long are we supposed to wait? Think this is a bold move, rather like picking Root in the first place was.

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