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    Where do you think Freddie would fit into the current England side mate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Where do you think Freddie would fit into the current England side mate?
    3rd seamer and number 8 bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Where do you think Freddie would fit into the current England side mate?
    I'd have him batting 3, opening the bowling, bowling offspin and keeping wicket.

    Failing that, having him in a seam attack with Jimmy and Broad solves one dilemma, then you bat him wherever he fits best. As flibberty said, probably 8 atm, and you'd be talking one strong lower order. But of course you're relying on him to be part of a four man attack, which goes back to the great Freddie dilemma...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    I'd have him batting 3, opening the bowling, bowling offspin and keeping wicket.

    Failing that, having him in a seam attack with Jimmy and Broad solves one dilemma, then you bat him wherever he fits best. As flibberty said, probably 8 atm, and you'd be talking one strong lower order. But of course you're relying on him to be part of a four man attack, which goes back to the great Freddie dilemma...
    I feel like you could manage it a lot better now though. As he showed at Trent Bridge, Jimmy can bowl and bowl, while having Swann instead of Giles means that you're guaranteed a good option from the other end.
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    Definitely true, and there's no bigger advocate of Freddie than me. However, the big objection was always that if he got injured we would be down to a two man seam attack. I agree with those, such as Goughy, who feel that is no basis upon which to select a team but I don't think the selectors would ever take such a risk with someone like dear Freddie

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Took Freddie's lot until January of course. Mind you your lot took about that long if you exclude the CT didn't they, this time out?
    Our warm-ups were pretty good IIRC, though I don't know if we had time to actually win any of them.
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    Yeah I would see Fred as No.8 and the 3rd seamer, with his workload managed correctly and less pressure (virtually none) on his batting he would have much better statistics with the ball IMO (although not with the bat obviously).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    Yeah I would see Fred as No.8 and the 3rd seamer, with his workload managed correctly and less pressure (virtually none) on his batting he would have much better statistics with the ball IMO (although not with the bat obviously).
    Would depend how he batted at 8, though. Could wind up with a lot more not outs.

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    Yeah, very little chance he ever scores a ton from there though. His average may have been around the same mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Jmay View Post
    Yeah, very little chance he ever scores a ton from there though. His average may have been around the same mark.
    Pfft, Broad did it from 9...

    That would be some ****ing tail aye

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    Funnily though I think England are much, much better set up to have Flintoff play as part of a five man attack than they were when he actually did it. Prior is an infinitely better batsman than Jones to the point where Flintoff would bat seven rather than six, and Broad+Swann provide much better lower order help than.. Giles+Hoggard.

    And despite that I'd probably still bat him at eight. Shows what I thought of the selection back then, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Definitely true, and there's no bigger advocate of Freddie than me. However, the big objection was always that if he got injured we would be down to a two man seam attack. I agree with those, such as Goughy, who feel that is no basis upon which to select a team but I don't think the selectors would ever take such a risk with someone like dear Freddie
    Which was a bollocks argument as Flintoff would have found a way to bowl even if all his limbs fell off halfway into the game.

    Consistency of selection was the issue with Flintoff given his injury record post 05. His ability to bowl his fair share, regardless of the state of his body was never in question. He took 5 wickets on the last day at Lord's bowling relentless 90mph stuff on one leg ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Which was a bollocks argument as Flintoff would have found a way to bowl even if all his limbs fell off halfway into the game.

    Consistency of selection was the issue with Flintoff given his injury record post 05. His ability to bowl his fair share, regardless of the state of his body was never in question. He took 5 wickets on the last day at Lord's bowling relentless 90mph stuff on one leg ffs.
    And that was pretty much it for him as a bowler. He had nothing left. So while I agree the break down argument was redundant, he couldn't maintain playing with such a workload every game.

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