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    All time Ashes XIs

    There has to be one better than the one Cricinfo put out surely.

    Anyway whats everyone's all time Ashes XIs judging on records in Ashes series.
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    Lets pick Ramprakash just because it's basically the only complementary nomination for an eleven like this he'll ever get even though he realistically shouldn't be within four elevens of this one either.

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    What was the cricinfo team?

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    Jack Hobbs
    Matthew Hayden (lul)
    Don Bradman
    Ponting
    S.Waugh
    Beefy
    Warne
    Gilchrist
    McGrath
    Lillee
    Trueman

    Sincerely hoping that wasn't the suggested batting order too quite frankly after Beefy.

    But Hayden, really its not like where short of quality openers to pick from and as good as Punter is/was his Ashes record isn't as flash as I thought.


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    These sides are picked not only on the criteria that each player had to have an excellent record in Ashes contests, but just as importantly that their Ashes only record had to be superior to their overall career record. So these are basically the guys that stepped it up for the urn.

    Suttcliffe*
    Edrich
    Trott
    Barrington
    Pietersen
    Rhodes
    Parks+
    Laker
    Headley
    Snow
    Voce

    Interestingly, Botham's Ashes record is much of a muchness compared to his career record (his bowling is marginally better, his batting marginally worse). Dean Headley took 35 wickets in 6 Ashes tests for less than 25 runs apiece, it's a shame that back injuries did him in so early.

    And the Australian equivalent

    Barnes
    Stackpole
    Waugh, M
    Border*
    Waugh, S
    Hussey
    Haddin+
    Warne
    Lillee
    Hogg
    McGrath

    Gilchrist's Ashes record is below his career average, whereas Haddin actually averages more (nearly 50) against England than Gilly did. The otherwise unassuming Rodney Hogg took 56 wickets at 17 playing in eleven Ashes tests in the late 70s and early 80s.

    I guess a combined team would be the Australian XI, with Suttcliffe, Barrington and Laker coming in for Stackpole, Mark Waugh and Hogg/Lillee (depending on how much you want to base it solely on Ashes performance stats).

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    In fairness a lot of 1930s era guys would have inferior career records against England just because of how dire their other opposition was.

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Len Hutton
    3. Donald Bradman *
    4. Charlie Macartney
    5. Walter Hammond
    6. Adam Gilchrist +
    7. Keith Miller
    8. Hedley Verity
    9. Harold Larwood
    10. Shane Warne
    11. Dennis Lillee
    (12th Ian Botham)

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    England

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Compton, D
    Gower
    Botham
    Knott
    Larwood
    Bedser
    Verity/ Underwood
    Trueman

    More an XI I'd probably like to watch than necessarily the absolute best they could muster (arguments over Bedser and Gower in particular I think)

    Australia

    Trumper/ Simpson
    Taylor/ Lawry
    Bradman
    G Chappell
    Border
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Davo
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    I actually defy any XI from another nation to bother taking the field against that side.
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    Haha yeah that side is sort of absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    England

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Compton, D
    Gower
    Botham
    Knott
    Larwood
    Bedser
    Verity/ Underwood
    Trueman

    More an XI I'd probably like to watch than necessarily the absolute best they could muster (arguments over Bedser and Gower in particular I think)

    Australia

    Trumper/ Simpson
    Taylor/ Lawry
    Bradman
    G Chappell
    Border
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Davo
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    I actually defy any XI from another nation to bother taking the field against that side.

    Yes, the Aus side isn't bad, is it. I suspect that WI could come up with worthy opponents, even if my money would be on your boys. I didn't expect to see Taylor though.

    As for England, pleased to see that someone's heard of Gower. Was Compton's record against Aus all that? I'll take your word for it, but I'd be tempted to pick May at number 4. Snow might be unlucky to miss out, even if it's due to FST. Bedser's presence perhaps depends on whether they're playing on uncovered wickets.

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    Against as strong an Australian side as that I think Jardine would be essential, and probably Sutcliffe as well

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    Yeah, for sure. I'd guess without checking DRJ's Ashes batting average is probably lower than his overall figure of 48, but he'd be my England captain every single time.

    Rather sad that from Burgey's Blighty XI only 3.5 are still with us.

    Actually Heaven vs Earth XIs might be quite fun to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    England

    Australia

    Trumper/ Simpson
    Taylor/ Lawry
    Bradman
    G Chappell
    Border
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Davo
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    I actually defy any XI from another nation to bother taking the field against that side.
    wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Tom View Post
    Jack Hobbs
    Matthew Hayden (lul)
    Don Bradman
    Ponting
    S.Waugh
    Beefy
    Warne
    Gilchrist
    McGrath
    Lillee
    Trueman

    Sincerely hoping that wasn't the suggested batting order too quite frankly after Beefy.

    But Hayden, really its not like where short of quality openers to pick from and as good as Punter is/was his Ashes record isn't as flash as I thought.
    ha. warney above gilchrist. he'd love that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Australia

    Trumper/ Simpson
    Taylor/ Lawry
    Bradman
    G Chappell
    Border
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Davo
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    I actually defy any XI from another nation to bother taking the field against that side.
    What was their record like in India?

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    Top 6 runscorers, most dismissals and top 4 wicket takers leaves the sides looking as follows:

    England:

    1. JB Hobbs (3,636 runs @ 54.26, 12 100s, 15 50s)
    2. DI Gower (3,037 runs @ 46.01, 9 100s, 11 50s)
    3. WR Hammond (2,852 runs @ 51.85, 9 100s, 7 50s)
    4. H Sutcliffe (2,741 runs @ 66.85, 8 100s, 16 50s)
    5. JH Edrich (2,644 runs @ 48.96, 7 100s, 13 50s)
    6. G Boycott (2,579 runs @ 46.05, 6 100s, 12 50s)
    7. APE Knott (93 catches, 8 stumpings)
    8. IT Botham (128 wickets @ 28.04, 7 5w, 1 10w)
    9. RGD Willis (123 wickets @ 24.37, 7 5w)
    10. W Rhodes (109 wickets @ 24.00, 6 5w, 1 10w)
    11. SF Barnes (106 wickets @ 21.58, 12 5w, 1 10w)

    Australia:

    1. DG Bradman (5,028 runs @ 89.78, 19 100s, 12 50s)
    2. AR Border (3,222 runs @ 55.55, 7 100s, 19 50s)
    3. SR Waugh (3,173 runs @ 58.75, 10 100s, 14 50s)
    4. C Hill (2,660 runs @ 35.46, 4 100s, 16 50s)
    5. MA Taylor (2,496 runs @ 42.30, 6 100s, 15 50s)
    6. RT Ponting (2,476 runs @ 44.21, 8 100s, 9 50s)
    7. IA Healy (123 catches, 12 stumpings)
    8. SK Warne (195 wickets @ 23.25, 11 5w, 4 10w)
    9. GD McGrath (157 wickets @ 20.92, 10 5w)
    10. H Trumble (141 wickets @ 20.88, 9 5w, 3 10w)
    11. DK Lillee (128 wickets @ 22.32, 7 5w, 2 10w)

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