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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    Best bit about that game is how his first innings dismissal was just sooooo Bell (tm) and then he bounced back immediately.
    Yeah, it doesn't get any more Bell than caught short cover off the bowling of Chawla for 1 off 28 balls.
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    My criticism of that Bell isn't that at all tbh. It's the same one vic makes, really, and it's one I've probably stated about three hundred times: he's too rigid. He doesn't seem to be particularly nuanced in his approach to batting, which leads to an overly simplistic gameplan at times and stupidity like Ahmedebad because he was so reliant on the big hit down the ground to dominate vs spin, to take one example. Or chipping one to a fielder who had literally just moved there, as happened in this series. It's not "softness", but it does give the strong impression that he does genuinely bat like he's brought out a checklist to the crease, and it does make him very vulnerable to shrewd bowling and captaincy even when set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Forgotten because England got hammered and he got out in a pretty ugly manner?

    Look, he's a good player, and he'll probably do alright. But he does have a marked propensity for getting out in some truly appalling ways at bad times for the team.



    Not if they become a pattern. There are some ways you simply should not get out by on a regular basis. Caught in the ring is right up there.
    I remember vehemently advocating dropping Bell for Panesar in the UAE while England were getting whitewashed. Given how Monty went in India, I still think it was a trick missed by Flower & Co.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I remember vehemently advocating dropping Bell for Panesar in the UAE while England were getting whitewashed. Given how Monty went in India, I still think it was a trick missed by Flower & Co.
    Panesar actually played two of the Tests in the UAE though and England lost both of them. And without wanting to get into that debate again, England weren't having any trouble bowling Pakistan out for low totals, so a fifth bowler would've just scored no runs and not got a bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I remember vehemently advocating dropping Bell for Panesar in the UAE while England were getting whitewashed. Given how Monty went in India, I still think it was a trick missed by Flower & Co.
    Panesar played in the UAE though.

    @Spark: fair enough. My annoyance with Bell stereotypes doesn't really come from anything you've said FTR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    My criticism of that Bell isn't that at all tbh. It's the same one vic makes, really, and it's one I've probably stated about three hundred times: he's too rigid. He doesn't seem to be particularly nuanced in his approach to batting, which leads to an overly simplistic gameplan at times and stupidity like Ahmedebad because he was so reliant on the big hit down the ground to dominate vs spin, to take one example. Or chipping one to a fielder who had literally just moved there, as happened in this series. It's not "softness", but it does give the strong impression that he does genuinely bat like he's brought out a checklist to the crease, and it does make him very vulnerable to shrewd bowling and captaincy even when set.
    That's not his reputation from 2005 though, so not really relevant to my post you replied to.

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    I don't think they're that separate in terms of what ends up happening as a result. If you're overly rigid in your approach to batting and find it difficult to adapt quickly, then the absolute last bowlers you'd want to face are Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath, as an example. (As an aside, the corollary to that is that the bowler you would most want to face is someone like, say, Mitchell Johnson on an average day)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I don't think they're that separate in terms of what ends up happening as a result. If you're overly rigid in your approach to batting and find it difficult to adapt quickly, then the absolute last bowlers you'd want to face are Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath, as an example.
    Unless you're Mark Rampraskash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Panesar actually played two of the Tests in the UAE though and England lost both of them. And without wanting to get into that debate again, England weren't having any trouble bowling Pakistan out for low totals, so a fifth bowler would've just scored no runs and not got a bowl.
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    Panesar played in the UAE though.

    @Spark: fair enough. My annoyance with Bell stereotypes doesn't really come from anything you've said FTR.

    Fair enough.. I do not recall that series that well, so maybe I was arguing for a seamer over Bell? Either way, given how dross Bell was that series, I think they might as well chanced an additional bowler and try to bowl Pak out for lesser..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Much the same with Trott tbf. Yet Bell still gets far more stick.
    Trott can gagf, been utterly arse since Melbourne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I remember vehemently advocating dropping Bell for Panesar in the UAE while England were getting whitewashed. Given how Monty went in India, I still think it was a trick missed by Flower & Co.
    No, you advocated dropping Morgan for Finn. I also seem to remember explaining at the time, on numerous occasions, that your idea was completely ********.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    No, you advocated dropping him for Finn. I also seem to remember explaining at the time, on numerous occasions, that your idea was completely ********.
    well.. given ******** was how Bell was batting, it was at least an even trade IMO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    well.. given ******** was how Bell was batting, it was at least an even trade IMO..
    When you see how Finn has become an all rounder of late he'd have outbatted Bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    When you see how Finn has become an all rounder of late he'd have outbatted Bell.
    Well.. I have always been blessed with foresight..



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