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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Crazy how 5 of the top 10 batsmen in the world atm are South Africans
    No way IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    Prior gets in ahead of Sanga for mine. Bats at 5 for his county and has
    been sporadically at 6 in tests but where he bats wouldn't bother him - he's just in much better form and there very close as overall players.
    They aren't competing for the same spot, they both make my team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    No way IMO.
    Maybe top 10-12 or at worst 15. Who's in your top 10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I had Smith in ahead of Cook a little while ago with Amla opening, but it seems a bit silly to not pick a specialist opener and then leave someone batting as well as Cook out, so I've changed my mind in the wake of Cook's performances in India. Dropping Smith instead and leaving Amla as opener is an option I suppose, but I like Smith and I think I'd probably like to make him captain, so it's something I'm loathe to do.
    Smith is a gun captain, but when you have another gun captain in your side and another quite good one, I don't think you gain enough by his decent but not world-breaking performances lately compared to what you'd get by just picking the best six bats in the world IMO.
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    Sanga's been dire for a while now though ain't he?

    Dire may be a tad harsh, but talk about an 'all or nothing' batsman this past year. Really struggled with left armers (Junaid, Boult) so Starc should be on pronto when he's first at the crease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Maybe top 10-12 or at worst 15. Who's in your top 10?
    Amla
    Clarke
    Cook
    Sanga
    Kallis
    Chanders
    ABdV
    KP

    Assuming you're making the obvious joke, 5/8 for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    Sanga's been dire for a while now though ain't he?

    Dire may be a tad harsh, but talk about an 'all or nothing' batsman this past year. Really struggled with left armers (Junaid, Boult) so Starc should be on pronto when he's first at the crease.
    Well, he's up against Clarke and Cook, so he's not really disadvantaged by being "all-or-nothing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Nah you can't leave out Sanga IMO. Has been too good for too long, and it's not like he has many holes left to plug at in his record nowadays.
    I'm not really interested in his career record if we're talking about an XI that takes the field tomorrow though. It's useful as a rough guide to how a batsman may go - but that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Maybe top 10-12 or at worst 15. Who's in your top 10?
    Are you including KP as a South African or are you referring to players playing for SA? Who's your fifth SA (if not inc. KP) Faf?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Smith is a gun captain, but when you have another gun captain in your side and another quite good one, I don't think you gain enough by his decent but not world-breaking performances lately compared to what you'd get by just picking the best six bats in the world IMO.
    Don't think Smith is a gun captain at all. He has been a brilliant fit for SA and leads from the front superbly but tactically I don't consider him anything but reasonable/adequate in the captaincy stakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    I'm not really interested in his career record if we're talking about an XI that takes the field tomorrow though. It's useful as a rough guide to how a batsman may go - but that's all.
    I meant he's been in gun form for so long that I'm willing to use that as a hedge against the fact that whilst he might be in decent but not godly nick now, I'm more confident that he won't suddenly lose it in the short-term. Gives me stability in a lineup where several guys are as likely to score 10 as 210.

    EDIT: Though maybe if I'm picking Amla/Kallis/Chanders, that doesn't matter so much. Still reckon he's one of the top six bats in the world, mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Maybe top 10-12 or at worst 15. Who's in your top 10?
    Well du Plessis, Alviro, Rudolph, Duminy and Elgar definitely aren't in it, that's for sure. I don't know who your fifth player is - I'm going to assume it's Faf? - and that's absurd IMO.

    In no real order my top ten would be

    Cook
    Smith
    Amla
    Sangakkara
    Kallis
    Clarke
    Chanderpaul
    Pietersen
    Jayawardene
    de Villiers

    So I'll give you four, although I could've easily named a couple of others in ahead of de Villiers if I felt like being an argumentative ****, but five? Really?

    EDIT: Ahh, KP, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well du Plessis, Alviro, Rudolph, Duminy and Elgar definitely aren't in it, that's for sure. I don't know who your fifth player is - I'm going to assume it's Faf? - and that's absurd IMO.

    In no real order my top ten would be

    Cook
    Smith
    Amla
    Sangakkara
    Kallis
    Clarke
    Chanderpaul
    Pietersen
    Jayawardene
    de Villiers

    So I'll give you four, although I could've easily named a couple of others in ahead of de Villiers if I felt like being an argumentative ****, but five? Really?
    You made the same mistake I did. Hint: it's Daemon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    You made the same mistake I did. Hint: it's Daemon
    Yeah, already edited.

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    Clarke is literally the very first name I'd put down in my world XI atm, given he's captain, and then Amla.
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    Yeah it was KP. But it wasn't really a joke, It was just a 'woah' moment at the fact that the SA have produced so many of the world class talents that we view today.



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