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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I find both Clarke and Pietersen to be slightly over-rated itbt. Pietersen moreso. World class batsmen no doubt but Clarke is a 50/50 call for my World XI and Pietersen isn't really in contention at the moment (lock for the Second XI though). You can all fight me.
    What four middle order bats are above these two?

    Amla
    Kallis
    Sangakkara and who else?

    I'm expecting Chanderpaul but given the 3 names above there is no way Id go Chanders, Mahela etc above Clarke or KP.

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    Don't think Mahela is that close. Even ABdV would be closer IMO.
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    Amla's just all-round better than Clarke I'd have to say. I just feel that a guy like Amla has the technique and mental fortitude to ride out a period of sustained pressure that Clarke just couldn't deal with for too long imo.

    Would love to see how often Clarke gets bowled in tests percentage wise, think he could be potentially quite fallable to a guy bringing the ball back into him often - like an Onions.
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    Yeah I'd probably pick Amla right now as well. The guy just doesn't seem to have an obvious weakness at the moment, a lot of his dismissals in the series came from good "fortune" or brainsnaps more than actual flaws in his game. Clarke tends to try and hit his way out of a period of intense pressure - which is working, tbf, but it's risky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    I'm expecting Chanderpaul.
    Yeah correct.

    It'd hard to balance the team really; I want both Amla and Sangakkara in there but it's hard because they've both scored all their runs at three and you wouldn't really want Kallis lower than four either. Until a couple of weeks ago my option was to just cheat and make Amla open, but Cook's more than forced his way in as a specialist opener now. Chanderpaul and Clarke are without doubt the best lower middle order players going at the moment so I'd probably include them both and (controversially?) leave Amla out, but it's hard. Any of that entire top six barring Kallis could find themselves out of my side on any given day if I was asked to name one, including either of the openers. Seven just doesn't go into six. Pietersen is in the next tier down for mine.
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    I don't think Mahela is exceptionally close but he would look fine in the second World XI team. I was just throwing a name into the ring to try and work out who Prince thinks is better than Clarke and KP. Only other name I can think of is Younis Khan.

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    Yeah also a good shout. Really the clear alternative is Chanders and I'm not picking him after a middle order of Amla/Sanga/Kallis given the alternatives available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    It's because generally two sessions average out to be roughly 60 overs, 30 overs a session. 180 balls. Say you face half those balls, that's approx 90 balls. Means you're scoring fast if you get a hundred.
    Similar assumptions can be made about minutes, though admittedly slightly less accurate. It's also not always that a batsmen comes in right at the start of a session, so there are limitations.

    Basically my point was that you can't just scoff at the use of minutes to judge how quick a bloke scored and then use sessions in the next post.

    FTR I'd rather use neither and just go by strike rate, unless like Spark mentioned, one is making a general point rather than a detailed comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Similar assumptions can be made about minutes, though admittedly slightly less accurate. It's also not always that a batsmen comes in right at the start of a session, so there are limitations.

    Basically my point was that you can't just scoff at the use of minutes to judge how quick a bloke scored and then use sessions in the next post.

    FTR I'd rather use neither and just go by strike rate, unless like Spark mentioned, one is making a general point rather than a detailed comparison.
    Yeah I was just saying that he was scoring ****ing fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah correct.

    It'd hard to balance the team really; I want both Amla and Sangakkara in there but it's hard because they've both scored all their runs at three and you wouldn't really want Kallis lower than four either. Until a couple of weeks ago my option was to just cheat and make Amla open, but Cook's more than forced his way in as a specialist opener now. Chanderpaul and Clarke are without doubt the best lower middle order players going at the moment so I'd probably include them both and (controversially?) leave Amla out, but it's hard. Any of that entire top six barring Kallis could find themselves out of my side on any given day if I was asked to name one, including either of the openers. Seven just doesn't go into six. Pietersen is in the next tier down for mine.
    At the moment its quite straight forward for me picking the best 6 bats, just the order is a tad tough to decide. If pressed I would go:

    1. Cook 2. Smith 3. Amla 4. Kallis 5. Clarke 6. Sangakkara

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    You're not forcing out Smith instead of Cook? Or are you locking him in?

    FTR I'm batting Sanga at 3 and putting Amla at 5. Has the game.

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    Prior gets in ahead of Sanga for mine. Bats at 5 for his county and has
    been sporadically at 6 in tests but where he bats wouldn't bother him - he's just in much better form and there very close as overall players.

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    Nah you can't leave out Sanga IMO. Has been too good for too long, and it's not like he has many holes left to plug at in his record nowadays.

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    Crazy how 5 of the top 10 batsmen in the world atm are South Africans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    You're not forcing out Smith instead of Cook? Or are you locking him in?
    I had Smith in ahead of Cook a little while ago with Amla opening, but it seems a bit silly to not pick a specialist opener and then leave someone batting as well as Cook out, so I've changed my mind in the wake of Cook's performances in India. Dropping Smith instead and leaving Amla as opener is an option I suppose, but I like Smith and I think I'd probably like to make him captain, so it's something I'm loathe to do.



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