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    You know what I dread? Siddle firing up in the tour match and getting crocked, another bowler doing a hammie in Trent Bridge and Faulkner being brought into the squad for the second Test for 'balance' and because he can 'do a job'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Did anyone really expect him to go tits out in a tour match against a **** team's 2nd XI?
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    Na sorry, Siddle himself said his form was **** in the tour matches. It's not just that he wasn't trying or something.

    Also think the whole 'has loads of wickets and therefore is invaluable' argument is being way overstated. As someone else also said, better bowlers come along. Just because someone happens to have been given enough opportunities to get lots of wickets, doesn't mean they should be in the side permanently and immune to being replaced by better alternatives.

    Fortunately the inevitable selection of Siddle isn't a shocker by any means, and I expect him to do at least a serviceable job. I just think it's a pity that we could have potentially gone in with a really threatening attack if we made some other selections. It's not every day you can do that, and I think it could be a mistake given we need to throw absolutely everything at England.

    The real problem for me though, and much bigger than Siddle, is the very likely selection of Starc. If he happens to have an off day, then there will be a lot of pressure on Siddle and Pattinson to get it right. And that's not what you really want with one bowler who isn't in the best form and another who is extremely inexperienced, especially in English conditions. Another thing that concerns me is that if Starc does get it right, he could be fast-tracked into subsequent matches. I feel with his consistency issues that could just be a ticking time bomb, Mitchell Johnson style, where he could cost us a match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus View Post
    Na sorry, Siddle himself said his form was **** in the tour matches. It's not just that he wasn't trying or something.

    Also think the whole 'has loads of wickets and therefore is invaluable' argument is being way overstated. As someone else also said, better bowlers come along. Just because someone happens to have been given enough opportunities to get lots of wickets, doesn't mean they should be in the side permanently and immune to being replaced by better alternatives.
    People who want Siddle in the side aren't just looking at the number of wickets though, FFS. There have been a couple of **** posts in the last page about how Dizzy and Johnson also have more wickets than anyone else in the squad, but it's completely missing the point. Since the last Ashes series, Siddle has been the only Australian bowler to be a constant threat. He may not have reached the same peaks as someone like Pattinson, or even Starc at times, but his performances in the last two years have surpassed all of them due to the consistency factor. No regular breakdowns and no sudden times when he just bowls a heap of garbage.

    Australia are exactly the sort of side where someone like Siddle is so valuable, as there are so many hot and cold merchants and people who might breakdown. He wasn't even that good against South Africa, but the South African batsman never got away from Australia when Siddle was playing, even when Pattinson broke down in Adelaide. It wasn't until Perth, when Siddle was absent that South Africa got out of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    People who want Siddle in the side aren't just looking at the number of wickets though, FFS. There have been a couple of **** posts in the last page about how Dizzy and Johnson also have more wickets than anyone else in the squad, but it's completely missing the point. Since the last Ashes series, Siddle has been the only Australian bowler to be a constant threat. He may not have reached the same peaks as someone like Pattinson, or even Starc at times, but his performances in the last two years have surpassed all of them due to the consistency factor. No regular breakdowns and no sudden times when he just bowls a heap of garbage.

    Australia are exactly the sort of side where someone like Siddle is so valuable, as there are so many hot and cold merchants and people who might breakdown. He wasn't even that good against South Africa, but the South African batsman never got away from Australia when Siddle was playing, even when Pattinson broke down in Adelaide. It wasn't until Perth, when Siddle was absent that South Africa got out of control.
    Well sorry, but I can't agree with that. People are making it out that Siddle is some kind of bowling machine. There have been plenty of times over the past two years where Siddle has either looked very innocuous, hasn't been able to get the ball to move at all (despite other bowlers being able to) and/or has got his lengths wrong. He's definitely a lot more consistent than someone like Johnson, and much improved since McDermott took him under his wing, but he isn't immune to having an off day. Think people are conflating his ability to 'run in hard all day' with being a constant threat, which he isn't.

    Think the Siddle a lot of people are describing is basically the one against India in Australia. For me, his bowling was at a peak level there, and I don't think he has managed to bowl quite in the same way since then (has definitely lost some pace for one). In that series he was a constant threat, and it shows in his results: 3/63, 3/42, 3/55, 2/88, 3/42, 3/43, 5/49, 1/47. Taking a few wickets nearly every innings he bowled.
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    Well, lets all just get the **** over it because he's a moral to play.

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    Yeah well that's a given. Really hope Starc isn't going to be selected mainly because they believe he is a threat against Cook. So tired of those kind of finicky selection reasons. Let's just pick who we think are the best bowlers please.

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    as much as I rate Bird, ideally he and Siddle wouldn't be in the same team.

    the eventual Aus attack of Pattinson, Bird, and a consistent Starc, with maybe Cummins chucked in on the quick wickets is pretty fapworthy

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    I don't actually agree that he'll be the main threat against Cook, either. He's had issues with left armers in the past, but they've all been pretty over the top bowlers who angle it in, making him play regularly and not giving any room for the cut. Zaheer and Boult are probably the best examples. Starc is much more round arm, thus doesn't create quite the same angle, and also has a tendency to drift onto the legs or drop short and wide more.

    It's far too simple to just see that Cook has struggled against a couple of left armers and assume that all left armers will trouble him equally. Strauss and Cook both got troubled by someone like Zaheer, but never had any issues with Johnson, who may be a different type of bowler to Starc, but is similarly round arm.

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    Just noticed on the ICC rankings that India are now second......when did that happen??

    I'm sure their win over the Aussies didn't put them above us??

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    Happened this morning I believe. The annual update, where they knock off a year of results. Think England lost the 2009 Ashes, tour to South Africa, and clean sweeps of Bangladesh from their rankings equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximas View Post
    Wasn't able to watch the games no, but his figures didn't make for particularly good reading. Again, I'm not saying his spot is up for grabs, but you can't tell me that his form has been good in the lead-up. What I'm saying is that the concerns of others in the forum about Siddle should be taken seriously.
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