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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    No. Great batsmen have the ability to bat anywhere in the top six. For most mere mortals it's only possible to master one or two positions to a world class standard. You're seriously underestimating the different requirements.
    nah look there's a few things there (pissed or not) i disagree with

    it would be unreasonable to ask a free flowing shotmaker of a middle order batsman (m.waugh, d.martyn, abcdev, pietersen etc) to open. it would be no problem, in fact a benefit especially taking into account that there is no pressure for them to get a move on nowadays for an opener to come in down the order and play circumspect against an older ball, or play an openers role against a new ball, second time around for the bowlers. on a turner, it's only a few overs different to opening anyway and it doesnt really count as turners aint cricket innit
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanJLegend View Post
    If you're not good enough to bat anywhere in the top 6 then you're not a test-quality batsman.

    Simple as that.
    And what do you do when you discover you only have one Test quality batsman?

    Australia's batting is ****.

    ****. Absolutely ****.

    People need to face up to this fact. It means the selectors can't just pick the batsmen in any order they feel like and declare players proven failures willy nilly when they don't perform immediately. Clarke aside, these blokes aren't true Test quality batsmen so the management needs to find them niche roles and hope it all gels together as a unit. The batting order becomes important in this situation.
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    nahar warner is learning his **** on the big stage, but he counts as test quality. hughes has been dicked around, and having a wierdo technique doesnt exclude someone from being test quality. very confident he will show it. we will have almost as many test quality batsmen as the pomgolians

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    Quote Originally Posted by uvelocity View Post
    nahar warner is learning his **** on the big stage, but he counts as test quality. hughes has been dicked around, and having a wierdo technique doesnt exclude someone from being test quality. very confident he will show it.
    I agree but the bloke I was replying to was clearly holding the term to a much higher standard judging by what he said.


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    fair enough. he likes tassie though, so he's in a conundrum caught between all tassies bat like punt so pick em all, or punt is one in a million give up cricket we've seen the best stop watching

    nice fella all the same

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    Clearly there is a slight problem when you have Cowan and Rogers in the same team, but I think having Warner, Watson and Hughes in the same team is equally troubling. At whatever cost, I want to see Rogers and Khawaja in the team, and I don't particularly care who gets left out.
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    Warner at 6 wouldn't be a bad move if we can admit to ourselves this series won't be won and lost on Twatto's bowling. He slid down the order in IPL (yes, yes, I know) and has allegedly found his niche.

    In any case, do you want him hitting through the line at a new ball or an old one?

    That way we can have ourselves:

    Cowan
    Rogers
    Hughes
    Khawaja
    Clarke (let the bloke bat at 5, he's earned it)
    Warner
    Haddin

    If you insist on playing Watson, Hughes would be first on the block. FFS Neil D'Costa, "cherry ripe" my anus.
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    Reckon that could work but it'd be Watson in for Khawaja and perhaps a reshuffle in the top 4.

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    Exactly how many test quality batsmen have been able to play anywhere in the top 6 in the history of the game? I can't think of any in my 25 years watching. Sachin and Lara could have opened but their teams knew better than exposing them to the 1 st over. Sure openers can go down and do a job but your not being fair to a specialist by doing that.

    Opening you have the whole team to come to build with. Especially if your not a big hitter. At 6 you will be batting with Clarke, Haddin and the bowlers. It takes a different mind set to score with the lower order. Hussey had that but you can't expect an opener to be the new Hussey.

    Pick the best 2 openers. Then worry about 3-6. If Rogers is in the team he has to open. I don't know that he will be better than Cowan but they are both competing for 1 spot if I was selecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uvelocity View Post
    nah look there's a few things there (pissed or not) i disagree with

    it would be unreasonable to ask a free flowing shotmaker of a middle order batsman (m.waugh, d.martyn, abcdev, pietersen etc) to open. it would be no problem, in fact a benefit especially taking into account that there is no pressure for them to get a move on nowadays for an opener to come in down the order and play circumspect against an older ball, or play an openers role against a new ball, second time around for the bowlers. on a turner, it's only a few overs different to opening anyway and it doesnt really count as turners aint cricket innit
    It's true that it's not totally unreasonable for an opener to bat in the middle order, but it still means you're not utilizing the best of his skills. A middle order player needs the ability to bat at multiple tempos, to milk the spinners, and to bat with the tail. Stodgy old fashioned openers like Rodgers have concentration, patience, and judgement but often won't have as wide of an attacking game or as much time batting with the tail.
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    Heard a good i/v with Rogers the other day on the radio. I understand there's been issues with him personality-wise within the group before, but he actually sounded very reasonable.

    Then again, that might be why there have been issues with him...

    How does he go in the field, out of interest?
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    Think fielding is an issue; took a blinder in his one Test match, but we played against him on one occasion, and a few guys who had played against him a fair bit before were remarking about how well he fielded in that ; you don't really hear that too often about FC players.

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    not the most athletic in the field, but better than usman anyway

    i can remember having discussions when he played in 09 or whenever it was about how he manages to pick up the ball being colourblind and all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Heard a good i/v with Rogers the other day on the radio. I understand there's been issues with him personality-wise within the group before, but he actually sounded very reasonable.

    Then again, that might be why there have been issues with him...

    How does he go in the field, out of interest?
    He's a slipper. Quite a good one too IMO; should field in the slips if he plays.



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