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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Think we need to dig up a few pre-Ashes posts on this subject because people have only started calling the Watto/Katich/Ponting/Clarke/Hussey/xx/Haddin top seven "pissweak" since England owned their poor little souls. If anyone had used that label before the series everyone would have laughed and called them a bell-end. The exact same batsmen had been taking visiting attacks apart in Australia for years. But I guess that's what a world-class attack does to reputations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    Over the 5 tests yes the gap was wider ,but over the first 3 tests it was not.
    Infact,Australia were the better side at Perth.

    I.e my point that it unfair to compare the two series and call one closer ,specially far closer than the other specially when at 3 tests it was probably more closer.

    And i am over with this debate.
    Why do you keep going on about the first 3 Tests? Surely it's more relevant to look at the most recent results first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Why do you keep going on about the first 3 Tests? Surely it's more relevant to look at the most recent results first?
    By doing so though would weaken his point considerably. There is an obsession from the posts I've read on here at comparing the first three Tests of this Ashes series ? Why, when it was a five-match series and everyone knew it was and so game plans were hatched with the five matches in mind, so you cannot just pick out part of the series to suit an argument.

    On the subject of the England bowlers, it is difficult to differentiate between how well England have bowled and how badly Australia have batted, and it is clearly a combination of the two. I suppose Australian fans will want to discredit England's performance a little by placing the blame on their batsmen, while us England fans will wish to brag about how good our bowlers are regardless of how Australia batted.

    The truth is somewhere in between, but as the thread title is England bowlers, I'd like to focus on that. The performance of Jimmy Anderson was fantastic, I personally had concerns over his areas when the ball was doing next to nothing. It's fair to say the conditions were more favourable than on his last trip here, there was more grass around on the pitches which helped him to get some movement for large portions of the innings. His ability to get reverse swing, as said in an earlier post - along with the rest of the bowlers, was genuine skill. He remained a constant threat, even in Brisbane when Hussey and Haddin were surviving, then flourishing, during their monster partnership.

    There will be much spoken about Swann's role this Ashes. He'll naturally be disappointed that he's not taken more wickets at a healthier average, mainly down to the lack of assistance in the pitches, but the holding role he did was vital also. He got one pitch, at Adelaide, that gave him something to smile about, and he duly produced five wickets in the second innings to help us win the Test. The fact Australia have been reluctant to produce the dry turning tracks shows how highly they rate him.

    Tim Bresnan and Chris Tremlett exceeded most people's expectations. We have all known the capabilities of Tremlett, but for him to come in and be so consistent and threatening was a real bonus. He should have made a starting XI place his own for Sri Lanka in May. The control Bresnan gave England was key. The lines he bowled, always at the batsman, were consistent and he's another excellent exponent of reverse swing.

    Steve Finn for me has much work to do on his consistency, and while he was the leading wicket-taker in the series at the time, the decision to leave him out was completely justified. I'm sure he'll be back, and hopefully a better bowler. He'll have learnt much form this Ashes trip, and he didn't let himself down.

    We will never know how effective Stuart Broad would have been had he played a full part, but I'm sure he'd have done a similarly effective job.

    My marks for the England attack for this series are -

    1) J. Anderson - 9.5 out of 10
    2). C. Tremlett 9 out of 10
    3). T. Bresnan 8.5 out of 10
    4). G. Swann 8 out of 10
    5). S. Broad 7.5 out of 10
    6). S. Finn 7 out of 10
    7). P. Collingwood 10 out of 10, for that wicket of Hussey.
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    He bowled something like 22 overs for 23 runs at one point in Melbourne did Swann. Only picked up one wicket IIRC (Clarke) but it was a fine, fine spell and perfectly epitomized what his job was this series.
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    Haha he was bowling to a 400-run first innings lead! Economical bowling was just worthless and easy for a spinner to attain because Australia didn't care for runs.

    I'd give him a lot of credit for getting the job done at Adelaide though because that pitch was flat enough for the seamers that England could realistically have not won the game. The rest of the time he just wasn't really required. And he was one of the poorer performers in the two matches England didn't win.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Why do you keep going on about the first 3 Tests? Surely it's more relevant to look at the most recent results first?
    Because someone was comparing it with a 2 test series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Haha he was bowling to a 400-run first innings lead! Economical bowling was just worthless and easy for a spinner to attain because Australia didn't care for runs.

    I'd give him a lot of credit for getting the job done at Adelaide though because that pitch was flat enough for the seamers that England could realistically have not won the game. The rest of the time he just wasn't really required. And he was one of the poorer performers in the two matches England didn't win.
    Regardless of run deficits, it was a clear plan prior to the series starting that England were going to suffocate Australia of runs. That's obvious in some of the slightly defensive fields set by Strauss despite having very healthy leads. Their thinking was that Australia loved seeing the board ticking and so would be frustration if the runs were dried up sufficiently. So for these plans to be executed, tight accurate and economical bowling was crucial, which Swann produced, if not through wickets at his end, then his spells of bowling contributed to wickets for the other bowlers.

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