*Official* Fourth Test at the MCG - Page 15

TT Boy · 22-12-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by four_or_six

Shazhad is just so inexperienced, though. At least Bresnan has played on the big stage, and with some success.

Bangladesh and being a liability in the 20/20 WC...

GingerFurball · 22-12-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by four_or_six

Shazhad is just so inexperienced, though. At least Bresnan has played on the big stage, and with some success.

Shazad might have played only one Test vs Bangladesh, but his skittling of the lower order in that Test was more impressive than anything Bresnan has ever done.

Bresnan's record looks reasonable for a n00b, until you realise he's only faced West Indies and Bangladesh.

JBH001 · 22-12-2010, 12:09 PM

What's the Shahzad like? I take it he is a promising and real quick? I saw a bit of Bresnan when England toured Bangladesh (I was in SL at the time) and wasn't all that impressed. He seems just an honest trier and that only gets you so far for so long.

BoyBrumby · 22-12-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JBH001

What's the Shahzad like? I take it he is a promising and real quick? I saw a bit of Bresnan when England toured Bangladesh (I was in SL at the time) and wasn't all that impressed. He seems just an honest trier and that only gets you so far for so long.

No doubt in my mind Shahzad is already the better bowler. Not absolutely express, but possessed of the sort of Simon Jones/Shane Bond, slippery, swingy kind of pace. Bowls high 80s/low 90s regularly. Probably our quickest bowler in the squad. Not tall (well, as fast bowlers go) so bowls a wicket-to-wicket line and threatens the stumps a lot.

Reverses the old ball and shapes his deliveries nicely back into left handers before the ball leaves them; with Hussey proved a massive pain in the aris this could be crucial.

four_or_six · 22-12-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Shazad might have played only one Test vs Bangladesh, but his skittling of the lower order in that Test was more impressive than anything Bresnan has ever done.

Bresnan's record looks reasonable for a n00b, until you realise he's only faced West Indies and Bangladesh.

Hmm, I dunno, I know Austraia's batting is pretty rubbish atm, but just because Shazhad bowled well at Bangladesh's tail... He was also rubbish in his first spell against the top order iirc.

I don't dispute that Shazhad is the better long term prospect, I just think Bresnan is a more reliable pick for a match starting this week.

fredfertang · 22-12-2010, 12:32 PM

Doesn't seem to lack confidence either, and good for a few runs - I think he's a great prospect, his county of origin notwithstanding

Julian87 · 22-12-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

No doubt in my mind Shahzad is already the better bowler. Not absolutely express, but possessed of the sort of Simon Jones/Shane Bond, slippery, swingy kind of pace. Bowls high 80s/low 90s regularly. Probably our quickest bowler in the squad. Not tall (well, as fast bowlers go) so bowls a wicket-to-wicket line and threatens the stumps a lot.

Looks quite a bit short of Shane Bond's heat IMO.

zaremba · 22-12-2010, 02:46 PM

Some people s****** at the supposedly illusory concept of "momentum" but I have to admit I'm pessimistic about our chances of bouncing back on Boxing Day, in front of 90,000 pissed up convicts, from the old-style whipping we received at Perth. I know that this England team is capable of bouncing back, they've done it a number of times before, and that this Aussie team is every bit as inconsistent as we are, but somehow it doesn't feel likely atm.

howardj · 22-12-2010, 03:04 PM

Just wondering if Greg Chappell is going to rest or rotate Harris or Johnson for this Test, considering his explanation for Johnson's Adelaide ommission. lol

marc71178 · 22-12-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

Some people s****** at the supposedly illusory concept of "momentum" but I have to admit I'm pessimistic about our chances of bouncing back on Boxing Day, in front of 90,000 pissed up convicts, from the old-style whipping we received at Perth. I know that this England team is capable of bouncing back, they've done it a number of times before, and that this Aussie team is every bit as inconsistent as we are, but somehow it doesn't feel likely atm.

How many Aussies were confident of the comeback they'd make from Adelaide though?

zaremba · 22-12-2010, 03:08 PM

None. And I felt this way before the 5th Test in 2009 as well.

Johnners · 22-12-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

None. And I felt this way before the 5th Test in 2009 as well.

Lies

zaremba · 22-12-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Clapo

Lies

There may have been some. TBF, they are hard to count, just like undetected sex offenders, rats or flies

GingerFurball · 22-12-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by four_or_six

Hmm, I dunno, I know Austraia's batting is pretty rubbish atm, but just because Shazhad bowled well at Bangladesh's tail... He was also rubbish in his first spell against the top order iirc.

I don't dispute that Shazhad is the better long term prospect, I just think Bresnan is a more reliable pick for a match starting this week.

It's still more than anything Bresnan's done at international level. You'd be as well asking Collingwood to fill in as the 3rd seamer.

Spark · 22-12-2010, 04:37 PM

I remember when Bresnan played against us in the ODIs in our winter. He got carted by, well, basically everyone. And our batting lineup was misfiring so badly Clarke was our best bat ffs.

If Bresnan comes in for Finn I wouldn't mind one bit.

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zaremba Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chez les Ashes Posts: 8,730	Some people s****** at the supposedly illusory concept of "momentum" but I have to admit I'm pessimistic about our chances of bouncing back on Boxing Day, in front of 90,000 pissed up convicts, from the old-style whipping we received at Perth. I know that this England team is capable of bouncing back, they've done it a number of times before, and that this Aussie team is every bit as inconsistent as we are, but somehow it doesn't feel likely atm. Last edited by zaremba; 22-12-2010 at 02:48 PM.

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