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    Funny how we once had the system the world envied. The strong domestic system, the cricket academy, the high performance centre, past greats becoming great coaches, many junior and A tours, which at the moment is producing sweet **** all really

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    Nah it's producing good stuff. But it's not much good if it doesn't get picked.

    Having a strong system doesn't automatically make you permanent #1.
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    I never said it does, but they throw a lot of money into it

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    Our system's fine. It's just that the Australian selectors are dumb ****s and our side's a bit meh right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Nah it's producing good stuff. But it's not much good if it doesn't get picked.
    While the selection policy has been terrible, I definitely think it's a bit of a cop out to just overlook the actual player ability problems that do indeed exist in some areas and blame them on selection.

    The system definitely hasn't been producing good spinners, and a whole generation of talented batsmen have failed to kick on for various reasons (barring Watson and Clarke who were fast-tracked in such a way that they were essentially removed from the domestic system). Those are definitely failures of the system - be they temporary or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    As a rule Australia has always preferred spinners who take the ball away from right handers.

    That's why I'm backing myself for Melbourne.
    Both Doherty and Beer took the ball away from Hauritz, so the selectors might be onto something here.
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    Best spinners in the world at the moment take the ball into the right handed batsmen, are we missing something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun View Post
    Australian cricket is a rudderless ship now. People comparing this team to the one which Allan Border inherited forget the fact that back then Allan was new, fresh and most importantly him and the guys around him had a vision, a vision which was shared and nurtured so brilliantly that it saw Australia dominate World cricket for the next two decades. There was a conscious effort to shed the vestiges of past, earmark a core of 5-6 and give them as much support as possible and thereby ensure a stable team developed around these guys.
    Yeah, would agree with this. They reacted back in the 80's by giving Boon a chance the next summer. Pretty much every summer after that one or two new guys were given a go and by 1989 they had the core of what was going to be a very good team (S.Waugh, Hughes, M.Taylor, Healy, McDermott etc).

    In contrast, these selectors have seemingly no idea where to start when it comes to ear-marking talent for the future. It's become very random, and it appears to be based on the idea that you either have to have been playing state cricket for 10 years while we've been going well, or be someone nobody has ever heard of before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Nah it's producing good stuff. But it's not much good if it doesn't get picked.

    Having a strong system doesn't automatically make you permanent #1.
    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Our system's fine. It's just that the Australian selectors are dumb ****s and our side's a bit meh right now.
    Haha the eternal refuge of the optimist.. the entire system is pristine perfect except for the selectors

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    I suppose the system falls down if it's run by morons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun View Post
    Haha the eternal refuge of the optimist.. the entire system is pristine perfect except for the selectors
    It's not exactly perfect, but it's not a waste of time. It needs some work but it's a good system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    He averages more in Perth than he does in his career and he'd been playing cricket grade in Melbourne up until this season.

    If you were going to pick a spinner because of local knowledge then it'd have to be North.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Where's Patto demanding Aaron Heal??
    Voges IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    It's not exactly perfect, but it's not a waste of time. It needs some work but it's a good system.
    This.

    There is a real problem at the moment with the Australian cricket leadership. They do not appear to have a plan for the future and have resorted to pulling random names out of a hat to fix their problems.

    The thing is that two years ago I thought they had their act together and were building a team for the future. The bowling attack of Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Siddle and Hauritz, while not setting the world alight were working very well together as a bowling unit.

    Unfortunately there seems to have been a cultural shift over the last two years from being a young team pulling together to perform well into being a team that has a culture of insecurity and lack of stability.

    This change in culture has to come back to the leadership team. Over the last couple of years we saw them develop Hauritz into a world class spinner (not the best spinner ever mind you, but a spinner that was comfortably able to be worth picking consistently) and then as he is nearing his peak they drop him and effectively tell him that he will not be picked again. Spinners tend to play their best cricket between ages 30 and 35 and Hauritz isn't even there yet. He has a moderate test record but had been improving steadily for some time. Now he cannot get a look in, despite performing well at domestic level.

    Hughes basically won us a series in South Africa with some monumental performances. He had cemented his place in the side with an average in excess of 50. Then, inexplicably, he got dropped after two bad tests. He was given no leniency and since then has looked very unsure, like he is playing for his place every time he goes out to bat. He has lost the free flowing aspects of his game somewhat because the leadership created in him a culture of fear.

    Marcus North was handled very badly. He would consistently underperform and the selectors would never bight the bullet and cull him from the team. He was largely the cause of our middle order woes for the past couple of years and yet seemed to have a "get out of jail free card". He was an older player who should have been shown less leniency, unlike Hughes.

    Haddin and Paine have been very good keepers, I have no trouble with the way that they were handled.

    The batting lineup has been very fragile at the best of times, but Hussey was rightfully given some grace due to past performance. Ponting has also come down from the stellar heights of his 01-07 peak. Clarke has developed into quite a solid batsman, though he does suffer from tending to fail when Ponting fails, which has lead to middle order collapses. Our openers have been very consistent, if not exceptional.

    Looking at all of this, the problem to me lies in the captaincy, selection and leadership team. Why have our bowlers and youth been so mistreated, while players like North been given so much grace?

    A very perceptive female friend of mine told me last summer that one of the things she hated about Australian cricket was that Ponting basically got to pick his own team. I now see how right she was.

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