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    Quote Originally Posted by Clapo View Post
    Nah nah you've got it wrong. TumTum is like a cricketing nostradamus, he knows. Once predicted something about a T20 tournament didn't you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    As a hypothetical, what would people actually prefer: for us to win the Ashes with the same, familiar team and these players to be retained because of that for a long time afterwards, or for us to lose the Ashes resulting in whatever you would consider the optimal team being established afterwards due to the defeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    As a hypothetical, what would people actually prefer: for us to win the Ashes with the same, familiar team and these players to be retained because of that for a long time afterwards, or for us to lose the Ashes resulting in whatever you would consider the optimal team being established afterwards due to the defeat.
    Can't see how this is even a choice. I'd never want the team to lose just to see the back of an individual I don't like. Under no circumstances can losing be a good thing. No two people will probably agree on the optimal team anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Can't see how this is even a choice. I'd never want the team to lose just to see the back of an individual I don't like. Under no circumstances can losing be a good thing. No two people will probably agree on the optimal team anyway.
    Yeah, silly question. The only person who would rather lose just so the people he doesn't like get dropped is Cribbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Yeah, silly question. The only person who would rather lose just so the people he doesn't like get dropped is Cribbage.
    Yeah, and that's only because I don't really follow anyone at Test level.

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    What if you genuinely believed it would result in success for the team in the long-run? What if Australia (or anyone) losing a certain series would create such an uproar that it would lead to what you believed were the right policies/players/selections/tactics which would result in your team rising up the rankings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Can't see how this is even a choice. I'd never want the team to lose just to see the back of an individual I don't like. Under no circumstances can losing be a good thing. No two people will probably agree on the optimal team anyway.
    It's a hyptothetical dude, it doesn't have to be realistic. Let me clarify what I meant though, because what you and benchmark are saying isn't what I was implying. I meant if you assume the familiar team (with North, Hauritz, Johnson, Siddle, Hilf etc.) is NOT the best team available to Australia (which I think most would agree with), would you rather this team wins the Ashes and remains the primary test team for a long period of time, OR, this team loses the Ashes and changes are made afterwards making it the best team available to Australia (or at least what the majority considers the best team).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    It's a hyptothetical dude, it doesn't have to be realistic. Let me clarify what I meant though, because what you and benchmark are saying isn't what I was implying. I meant if you assume the familiar team (with North, Hauritz, Johnson, Siddle, Hilf etc.) is NOT the best team available to Australia (which I think most would agree with), would you rather this team wins the Ashes and remains the primary test team for a long period of time, OR, this team loses the Ashes and changes are made afterwards making it the best team available to Australia (or at least what the majority considers the best team).
    I don't see the difference between this post and your original.

    My response remains the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    What if you genuinely believed it would result in success for the team in the long-run? What if Australia (or anyone) losing a certain series would create such an uproar that it would lead to what you believed were the right policies/players/selections/tactics which would result in your team rising up the rankings?
    Hard to know that though. It's a bit of a stretch to ever say you think losing a series would be good for a team. And as far as Australian/English cricket is concerned, it's almost impossible if that series is the Ashes.

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    Tbh DeusEx if those are the guys that win you the Ashes, they would have to perform really well. And if they are performing, I have no problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TumTum View Post
    Tbh DeusEx if those are the guys that win you the Ashes, they would have to perform really well. And if they are performing, I have no problem with it.
    You don't need eleven players performing to win the Ashes though. It could happen on the back of Australia's good players really finding their feet and performing at the peak. It could even happen on the back of a couple of random Marcus North hundreds - wouldn't mean North's the best option carrying forward though, would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    You don't need eleven players performing to win the Ashes though. It could happen on the back of Australia's good players really finding their feet and performing at the peak. It could even happen on the back of a couple of random Marcus North hundreds - wouldn't mean North's the best option carrying forward though, would it?
    We are 1-0 behind, for us to win almost everyone has to fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TumTum View Post
    Tbh DeusEx if those are the guys that win you the Ashes, they would have to perform really well. And if they are performing, I have no problem with it.
    I guess it could be framed in another way:

    Would you prefer this sub-optimal team wins the Ashes, but loses more series' after the Ashes (because they can't maintain the high level of performance), or that this sub-optimal team loses the Ashes, and as such a better team is compiled which wins more series' after the Ashes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    I guess it could be framed in another way:

    Would you prefer this sub-optimal team wins the Ashes, but loses more series' after the Ashes (because they can't maintain the high level of performance), or that this sub-optimal team loses the Ashes, and as such a better team is compiled which wins more series' after the Ashes?
    That's a much better question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    That's a much better question.
    Well tbh, it's exactly what I meant in the first place, I probably just didn't word it well enough.



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