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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermind View Post
    Because he has done just as poorly as Hilfenhaus and Johnson. So have Siddle and Bollinger. Why does Harris keep his spot, when H and J had to lose it?

    That's not my logic, that's Aussie selector logic, if they are to be consistent.
    That wouldn't be consistent though. They didn't drop our best bowler from the First Test...why would they do it after the 2nd?

    If you think he did as poorly as the Hilf and Johnson I can only assume you weren't watching...actually, even if you weren't watching and only looked at the stats...he still looks better.

    The reason he keeps his spot is because he bowled relatively decent lines most of the time, took two wickets, and was our best bowler. Johnson did none of those things. There's no comparison between their efforts in the first and second tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayzamann View Post
    Really want to see some heads roll, yet can't for the life of me think of who would come into the side to make a difference, nor who is really responsible for playing so poorly. I suppose a 1-0 scoreline flatters the fact that the last 6 wickets for England have cost 1,000,000 runs each. Hopelessly crashing on batsmen-friendly conditions is inexcusable as well.
    Probably no one. The selectors will be let off possibly by the public for trying to 'win' the ashes rather than go for a rebuild but I think after the series the tough questions will need to be answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusEx View Post
    I don't get that at all though, because North is 31, and Watson and Clarke are both 29. Those guys have been playing test cricket (especially Clarke) longer than North anyway, so what would 2 years of pure 'age experience' actually provide? Furthermore, seeing as though the older guys like Ponting and Hussey will still be around probably for another year at least, wouldn't it be better to bring in some new players now so they can learn from those guys?
    I'm as confused as you are. I daresay it was all devil's advocate trying to gain a semblance of an idea as to the thought process of the selectors.

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    Absolutely magnificent effort by the Poms, fair play.

    Shades of this game for mine

    Am I alone in thinking Broad's not actually such a crucial loss for England with a couple of other tall bowlers on the sidelines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Absolutely magnificent effort by the Poms, fair play.

    Shades of this game for mine

    Am I alone in thinking Broad's not actually such a crucial loss for England with a couple of other tall bowlers on the sidelines?
    He's not such a crucial loss now that Anderson & Swann are bowling well. But Broad will be missed because he can suddenly have a massive impact (The Oval, Durban, etc) and change the game. This, plus his batting, can't really be matched by any of the reserves.

    Aside: Love that scorecard. Hadlee basically won games on his own.
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    [QUOTE=social;2399445]Prediction - a bunch of Oz batsmen to score nice 50s, throw it away when set and lose heavily

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    Absolutely magnificent effort by the Poms, fair play.

    Shades of this game for mine

    Am I alone in thinking Broad's not actually such a crucial loss for England with a couple of other tall bowlers on the sidelines?
    Probably not in Perth as Tremlett being just as tall can do the same job. Not sure Tremlett will last 3 games back to back though so we may miss Broad later, guess Shahzad can come in though and do a very good job reversing it later in the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    He's not such a crucial loss now that Anderson & Swann are bowling well. But Broad will be missed because he can suddenly have a massive impact (The Oval, Durban, etc) and change the game. This, plus his batting, can't really be matched by any of the reserves.

    Aside: Love that scorecard. Hadlee basically won games on his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post

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    He is clearly the top ranked spinner in the world. You predicted an average of about 76 in the second innings, he ended up with an average of 18.6. Close .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermind View Post
    Why does Harris keep his spot, when H and J had to lose it?
    Did you just watch any of the test match? Or are you just going by his figures

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    A thoroughly clinical performance in this Test by England, we got Australia down and never let them back up, real foot on the throat stuff.

    Great effort by Swann and Anderson on that final morning, with the storms coming in during the afternoon, it shows how important those early wickets were.

    Was surprised at the lack of Aussie fight, and never dreamt we'd have it wrapped up in 90 minutes of play, they only needed to bat for something like a further hour and 45 minutes and they'd have saved it. It would have been tough on England, but you don't always get what you deserve in cricket.

    Five wickets was just reward for Swann, and had Prior snaffled what was by his much improved standards a regulation chance off Swann, he could have finished with a 6-for.

    That was just what you want from your spinner, he gave control in the first innings when little spin was on offer and chipped with a couple of wickets, one a crucial one with Hussey. Then when the track offered more assistance on the fourth and fifth day, he remained economical but was very penetrative also and got his five wickets his performance deserved to help guide us to victory.

    The decision by Strauss to take the new ball when he did was spot on, and most of the choices he took throughout this Test were proved correct in the end.

    It's Australia that have all the problems, at the moment. We know that can change, bit this is a different England side than many people will have seen in Australia before, and also a very different Aussie side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    Did you just watch any of the test match? Or are you just going by his figures

    Harris is a high class bowler
    Yes Harris was the only one that hit the right areas on anything near a consistent basis. Demonstrated good bursts of pace, and will presumably like the extra pace the WACA will offer.

    Would be ridiculous to drop him from the side.

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    I expected to wake up this morning and switch on Sky Sports and see the pitch under 2 foot of water and the match abandoned. However the weather gods were on our side and Jimmy and Swanny were immense.

    I hope Tremlett comes in for the 3rd test personally as I think he could do some damage for us, if the pitch has some pace and bounce like they have been mentioning.

    Don't really know how the Aussie selectors will approach the 3rs test. Mass culls/wholesale changes never work in the short-term in my opinion. Harris should retain his place and I would also bring Hauritz back in instead of Doherty. I also take it that Hughes will replace Katich.
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