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    I'm inclined to agree that cutting Doherty after one test would be very harsh, but I think it's already obvious he isn't a spinner for the ages (an accusation one could level at any of his rival crim twirlers too, in all fairness) and some of the other options (O'Keefe, Hauritz and even Smith were he to play as the nominal specialist) have more ability with the willow.

    If Johnson is cut for Bollinger it'd lengthen the tail so the spinner's runs could be a factor in the selectors' thought processes.
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    If Johnson gets dropped - and it's a big if - there won't be a straight swap for Bollinger, they can't risk a tail like that. Dropping him would also push Smith further out as they'd have more reason to play experienced batsmen down to 7.

    (Personally I think of Smith as a batting all-rounder if not just a batsman, but the selectors see it differently)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    O'Keefe > Doherty
    Khawaja > Clarke injured
    Bollinger > Johnson
    Harris > Hilfenhaus
    Smith > North

    Watson Katich Ponting Khawaja Hussey Haddin Smith OKeefe Harris Siddle Bollinger.

    I'm only quarter serious but I think the selectors will e considering these 5 options but obviously will not change all 5.
    Reasonable options to be mulling over. Would think Khawaja's going to have to score big in the 2nd innings for NSW to be in with a shout, although if as you predict, Clarke will be injured then maybe not so. The bowling options if Australia don't penetrate today will have to be looked at, with Bollinger and Harris the obvious candidates. Shame that Cameron can't even get in the NSW to stake his claim.

    Smith for North ? Would expect them to go with a specialist batsman like Khawaja to replace North if that's to happen, I'm not a fan of Smith yet so think that would weaken the Aussies.
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    McDonald's case for a place in the squad for the Adelaide test grows larger you'd have to think.
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    Might be harsh on Dohers if he gets punted, but the Ashes are more important than fairness. Plus, dumping him would not be harsh as Hughes's axing in 2009.
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    Would Harris be good enough to bat at 8? Six half centuries probably suggests no but he's not played masses of FC games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    I'm inclined to agree that cutting Doherty after one test would be very harsh, but I think it's already obvious he isn't a spinner for the ages (an accusation one could level at any of his rival crim twirlers too, in all fairness) and some of the other options (O'Keefe, Hauritz and even Smith were he to play as the nominal specialist) have more ability with the willow.
    It's so hard for them to drop X Do now though. Recalling Hauritz is out of the Q, as is switching to a better bet (and better bat) in O'Keefe or Smith. Just one of the reasons why Xperimenting in the first test was an Xecrable decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    McDonald's case for a place in the squad for the Adelaide test grows larger you'd have to think.
    McDonald seems to be way off the selectors' radar if he wasn't in the initial 17. As much as I love him, I'll be very surprised if he makes the side.

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    The last thing we should be considering is how our bowlers bat. We need wicket takers, of which Harris is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    McDonald's case for a place in the squad for the Adelaide test grows larger you'd have to think.
    Not really a spot for him to fill still (he's one of my favourite players though), plus he's injured.

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    Totally disagree. Giving the fragility of the Australian middle order, the more guys that can bat at 8 and 9 and get useful runs can be the real difference in getting a team out of trouble. First and foremost they must be good bowlers, but you have to factor in their batting imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outbreak View Post
    Not really a spot for him to fill still (he's one of my favourite players though), plus he's injured.
    Johnson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pup Clarke View Post
    Totally disagree. Giving the fragility of the Australian middle order, the more guys that can bat at 8 and 9 and get useful runs can be the real difference in getting a team out of trouble. First and foremost they must be good bowlers, but you have to factor in their batting imo.
    It's a consideration at the margins - if there's a dead heat between two bowlers.

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    Frankly, the way Johnson's confidence is right now I wouldn't back him to bat any more astutely than a tailender who can bowl better anyway.

    It's a catch-22, except there's an obvious answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    The last thing we should be considering is how our bowlers bat. We need wicket takers, of which Harris is one.
    Not the worst with the bat either, tbf. When he was called up I assumed his batting was a factor, actually but as it turned out he'd added a couple of yards of pace.



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