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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Upper**** wrote a good piece in the blog last year after the Cardiff test about who had momentum. There is definitely a case of us having momentum through the euphoria of that escape and the opposite emotions the filth would have had.
    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    I think that's clutching at straws somewhat. Didn't seem to help Australia at Trent Bridge in '05 for example, or England in the last Test against SA this year. On the other hand, India had a similar escape in 2007 and won the series, and of course England bounced back well in '09 at Lords. I doubt there's any correlation.
    vcs has beaten me to it, but as I'd already multi-quoted Coz I went with it anyway. Oz had a similar escape at OT in 2005, but followed on in the 4th test. Momentum a bit nebulous IMHO.

    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    I think Johnson is hanging by a thread at the moment. Not just because of his form, but the fact that Ponting seemed reluctant to turn to him for much of today. Once you've lost Ponting's confidence, you're on a greasy poll out of the team. Ryan Harris to come in for Adelaide - the form bowler of the Summer, and someone with an outstanding international record in both forms (small sample admittedly).
    Actually think Adelaide, being something of a featherbed, is more likely to suit Harris's skiddy pitch-up swing bowling than Bollinger's back of a length stuff myself too. Think there's an outside chance that Shahzad might play for us for the same reason, although can't see Finn getting chopped after a six-for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Strauss
    Cook
    Trott
    Watson
    Hussey
    Bell
    Haddin
    Swann
    Anderson
    Finn
    Siddle
    looks about right

    One batting slot up for grabs, with Watson taking it so far over KP and Katich thanks to the added bowling

    For the spinner, Doherty probably ahead of Swann on performance, but his failure to make an impact on a fourth day counts against him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Strauss
    Watson
    Katich
    Ponting
    Clarke
    Pietersen
    Haddin
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Bollinger

    Players in the batting lineup could definitely change in order but those are the seven I'd pick. Bollinger's pretty controversial, I know, but I definitely think he's Australia's best bowler and I think Australia have several bowlers all better than Finn, so in he goes.
    No Cook, Bell, Hussey or Siddle? Have you not been watching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    No Cook, Bell, Hussey or Siddle? Have you not been watching?
    Goughy didn't ask us to pick a team of the series - he asked us to pick a composite team. I don't know about you but I don't base all my selections on three quarters of a Test match.

    He himself picked Clarke, left out Haddin, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Goughy didn't ask us to pick a team of the series - he asked us to pick a composite team. I don't know about you but I don't base all my selections on three quarters of a Test match.

    He himself picked Clarke, left out Haddin, etc.
    Ah, I see. Thought the opposite. Fair enough. Shows what little difference there is between the star players and the fringe, though, that none of the stand out performers so far would get into the other's side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Goughy didn't ask us to pick a team of the series - he asked us to pick a composite team. I don't know about you but I don't base all my selections on three quarters of a Test match.

    He himself picked Clarke, left out Haddin, etc.
    You are 100% correct. I was interested to see who would go for flavour of the week, who would fall back on big names (as I likely did) etc. It is an interesting question, with a game around the corner, how much does recent form count over a career of excellence. Im not sure there is an easy or correct answer.

    I guess you intentionally included Bollinger despite the rules saying only players in this game as I doubt you would quote one rule without reading them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Ah, I see. Thought the opposite. Fair enough. Shows what little difference there is between the star players and the fringe, though, that none of the stand out performers so far would get into the other's side.
    Yeah it's definitely been the lesser lights performing so far in this Test. Siddle and Finn both took six.. tons for Hussey, Cook and Haddin, runs for Bell too. Only Strauss has really been particularly effective out of the 'stars' and he was ever so close to getting a pair himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    You are 100% correct. I was interested to see who would go for flavour of the week, who would fall back on big names (as I likely did) etc. It is an interesting question, with a game around the corner, how much does recent form count over a career of excellence. Im not sure there is an easy or correct answer.

    I guess you intentionally included Bollinger despite the rules saying only players in this game as I doubt you would quote one rule without reading them all.
    Haha yeah I saw it and chose to ignore it. Bollinger has to play.
    Pushed hard I'd probably take Siddle. Not as good a bowler as Johnson IMO but the form difference is definitely too much to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Ah, I see. Thought the opposite. Fair enough. Shows what little difference there is between the star players and the fringe, though, that none of the stand out performers so far would get into the other's side.
    Yeah, I read it that way too. Which is a much more interesting question, really -- we all know who the star players are, but looking at the people who have performed compared to the star names as a point of reference is an interesting measure of how the series could play out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    What a fantastic day by England,should bat all day tomorrow too now and wear out the bowlers ahead of next weeks test.Grind their noses into the dirt when we have the chance and leave some mental scars for later in the series.

    Bowling looked very popgun all day,an ordinary attack if you ask me.

    Cook was superb,Captain Fantastic was immense leading from the front and i see no reason why Trott shouldn't get a big one tomorrow against this lot.
    No-one is denying that Oz's attack looked very ordinary today but you you conveniently ignore the fact Cook and Trott are only there because we dropped them

    2 ordinary sides and, unless the only great player steps up, the winner will be the one that makes the least mistakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    All this talk of pitches etc and all Ive been able to think all day is thank **** McGrath retired.
    Often tracks are only as flat at the talents of the bowlers bowling on them.
    Hayden was a flat track bully but a guy who took 500 test wickets at 21 IN THE SAME ERA is criticised because "allegedly" he didnt move the ball enough

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    Who criticised him for that?

    The guy is a legend and I thank the lord every morning he's retired
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    RIP Craigos. A true CW legend. You will be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Thought Ponting's captaincy was pretty ordinary today and I don't approach his skippering with high expectations. Was ball following for the most part.

    Really think Oz need to get past this self-defeating "he can't play on once he's no longer captain" idea. Australia still need his runs, but he's not cutting the mustard as a captain any more. If his peers like Sachin, Lara and Dravid can return to the ranks after leading the side, why not Punter?
    Thank you

    Probably should've happened after Ashes '05

    Definitely after Ashes '09

    Only reasons that he is still there are fear he'll retire and lack of faith in Clarke

    Man Up all round IMO

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    I guess johnson is becoming Darren powell ...I always felt like Johnson was garbage for years..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Who criticised him for that?

    The guy is a legend and I thank the lord every morning he's retired
    Look at any analysis of great vs great on our esteemed site

    Fat, old, re-married ****er would still be our best bowler and nip out the Poms top order in a heartbeat before taking the kids to the local park for a kick a round

    Oh for someone that could put 2 balls on the same side of the pitch



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