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    OK, a couple of things - Jaques may have disappointed relatively speaking this year, but there's no way averaging a shade under 40 is "struggling big-time". And when it comes to making people bat out-of-position, Australia are the ones who are doing that by having Watson and Katich open, not NSW by not doing. NSW comes before Australia - thus NSW (and other domestic sides) have more of a say in what a player is than Australia do.

    And there is no way any domestic assocation should remotely be dictated to by what the national selectors are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    OK, a couple of things - Jaques may have disappointed relatively speaking this year, but there's no way averaging a shade under 40 is "struggling big-time". And when it comes to making people bat out-of-position, Australia are the ones who are doing that by having Watson and Katich open, not NSW by not doing. NSW comes before Australia - thus NSW (and other domestic sides) have more of a say in what a player is than Australia do.

    And there is no way any domestic assocation should remotely be dictated to by what the national selectors are doing.
    That's of course if you look just at an average. I've only seen him bat once at the Gabba this season in a first class match (seen him in ODs though more often) but always read match reports and the like and it's plain as day he's struggled.

    P Hughes 56.71
    U Khawaja 60.62
    S Smith 65.57

    Plus the 3 Australians batsman plus keeper S Watson, S Katich, M Clarke, B Haddin should make the best NSW full strength lineup.

    Also I completely disagree that any domestic assocation should be dictated by what the selectors are doing,

    NSW always try and get as many players into the Australian team, so there isn't really much point in getting the 2nd regular NSW opener game time in front of players like Smith and Khawaja when the main spot up for grabs in the Aussie setup is the number 6 position.

    FTR I realize Khawaja is injured at the moment..
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    So Richard, lets say you've been given the job to select a NSW team at full strength to play in a Shield Final, who makes your top 7 in batting order?

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    Pretty sure that Jaques has spoken of how he is a manufactured opener, always preferred batting in the middle order but saw that the opening for NSW was at the top so started working on that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Pretty sure that Jaques has spoken of how he is a manufactured opener, always preferred batting in the middle order but saw that the opening for NSW was at the top so started working on that.
    Same as Bobby Simpson. I imagine it is hard to find too many players who only opened all of their career. Not really sure what we are all arguing here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Pretty sure that Jaques has spoken of how he is a manufactured opener, always preferred batting in the middle order but saw that the opening for NSW was at the top so started working on that.
    Jaques is a manufactured opener, there's no doubt about that - and naturally if he'd prefer to drop back to three\four with Watson and Katich moving up to open then that's a different matter. I'd always rather presumed he'd liked opening though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    So Richard, lets say you've been given the job to select a NSW team at full strength to play in a Shield Final, who makes your top 7 in batting order?
    I wouldn't like to say I've followed this season with enough attention-to-detail to give a full answer. Maybe I'll come back to you when I've looked back on it a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I wouldn't like to say I've followed this season with enough attention-to-detail to give a full answer. Maybe I'll come back to you when I've looked back on it a bit.
    Can't say that I'm not surprised.

    Anyways 1. Watson 2 Hughes 3 Katich 4 Jaques 5 Clarke 6 Haddin 7 Smith would be my NSW top 7 with Khawaja terribly unlucky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Pretty sure that Jaques has spoken of how he is a manufactured opener, always preferred batting in the middle order but saw that the opening for NSW was at the top so started working on that.
    Wonder why Australia didn't pick him a few seasons back for the middle-order slot when he was running havoc where ever he went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    I have now paid for flights halfway round the world in order to be in Melbourne and Sydney next Christmas. We had better not have lost this series before I get there...
    Trying to organise my stuff right now. I cant be away for Christmas and my kids birthday so it looks like the first Test for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    I have now paid for flights halfway round the world in order to be in Melbourne and Sydney next Christmas. We had better not have lost this series before I get there...
    If you substitute "lose the series" for "have no chance of holding The Ashes"... when was the last time that didn't happen?

    Answer: 1994/95, when the MCG and SCG Tests were the Second and Third. And you and me were but 9 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    If you substitute "lose the series" for "have no chance of holding The Ashes"... when was the last time that didn't happen?

    Answer: 1990/91, when the MCG and SCG Tests were the Second and Third. And you and me were but 5 years old.
    Wasn't that the same case in 1994/95?
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    Can't wait for it,think it will be tight as the Aussies aren't as good as they think they are and England are improving all the time.Actually i think the series could come down to 2 players on each side,Johnson and Hauritz for Australia and Broad and Swann for England.

    Johnson and Broad are very similar in the fact that they are just as likely to bowl utter dross as they are a matchwinning spell and out of both sides they are the most likely matchwinning pace bowlers.It will come down to which one of them has more good than bad spells through the series.The daft thing with both of them is that they are likely to have one of each on the same day,possibly even the same session they are that unpredictable.

    As for the spinners,well i think both pace attacks will struggle to get 20 wickets so the spinners not only have to keep an end tight as both sides have plenty of erratic bowlers but they also have to take their share of wickets.Swann is the better bowler and probably a better allround cricketer but what Hauritz lacks in ability he more than makes up for in effort.

    Both sides have good batting line ups but both have an ability to collapse ridiculously when not expected to,you only have to look back to last summer to see that on both fronts.Not sure who has the edge in batting as there are enough weak links in both sides.One thing is certain though both teams have dodgy glovemen who could decide a game with an error.

    I remember a year ago all the Aussies telling us that Johnson and Siddle would cause as much pain as Lillee and Thommo did years ago and that was a load of rubbish in the end,no doubt we will be hearing the same this time about Bolly knickers.The Aussie fans were lucky to have the great side of the 90's onwards but to try and say any of the current lot are anywhere near that level is a false statement and the thing is England know that so will go there fancying their chances of retaining the urn and i wouldn't be at all surprised if we did.

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    If Hauritz performs as well as Swann all of Australia will be extremely happy!

    Both teams match up well against each other, Dougie Bollinger could end up being the key.



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