View Poll Results: Who did Australia miss most?

Voters
27. You may not vote on this poll
  • Matthew Hayden

    8 29.63%
  • Adam Gilchrist

    10 37.04%
  • Andrew Symonds

    2 7.41%
  • Mark Lewis

    7 25.93%
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 34

Thread: Who did Australia miss most?

  1. #16
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Uppercut's Avatar
    Tournaments Won: 1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    .
    Posts
    23,521
    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    I really don't think we missed anyone, or needed anyone. We had the arsenal, but we shot it into the sea.
    That's why I'm thinking Symonds had the potential to make a big difference to the result. It was a case of one or two moments when the series was lost, and Symonds so often excels in those moments. It's got nothing to do with talent, he's not even as good as North. It's the ability to turn round that crucial innings that's going against you.
    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

  2. #17
    International Coach pup11's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    India
    Posts
    12,146
    I think Australia missed a guy like Hayden the most at the top of the order, I know he hasn't had a great time when he has played in England in the past, but surely had he been there this time around he would have made a big difference. especially considering that swing with the new ball wasn't much of a factor this time around.

    Don't think we missed Gilly that much though, I think Haddin prior to his injury more than made up for the absence of Gilly, obviously Gilly is a more dynamic player than Haddin, but still it was Hayden out of those three that was missed the most in this series.

  3. #18
    International Coach pup11's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    India
    Posts
    12,146
    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    That's why I'm thinking Symonds had the potential to make a big difference to the result. It was a case of one or two moments when the series was lost, and Symonds so often excels in those moments. It's got nothing to do with talent, he's not even as good as North. It's the ability to turn round that crucial innings that's going against you.
    Don't think Symonds would have much of difference to our performances, it wasn't as if the series had any moments where a breezy knock at no.6 from him would have tilted things in our favour, on the contrary I think had he been there in place of North, then we could have probably ended up being in even more trouble.
    Last edited by pup11; 27-08-2009 at 12:14 AM.

  4. #19
    Hall of Fame Member age_master's Avatar
    Plasmanaut on Fire Champion!
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Sydney, NSW, Australia
    Posts
    15,777
    If Australia missed anyone from last ashes it was Shane Warne.
    Member of CW Green
    Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator


  5. #20
    Global Moderator nightprowler10's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Madhouse on Madison
    Posts
    14,212
    McGrath IMO.
    RIP Craigos

  6. #21
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Uppercut's Avatar
    Tournaments Won: 1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    .
    Posts
    23,521
    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    Don't think Symonds would have much of difference to our performances, it wasn't as if the series had any moments where a breezy knock at no.6 from him would have tilted things in our favour, on the contrary I think had he been there in place of North, then we could have probably ended up being in even more trouble.
    It's funny, but Australia never collapsed so dramatically when Symonds was in the team. Remember when you were 84/5, 134/6 or 18/5? Symonds pulled you out of the mire.

    I don't mean you can say conclusively that he would have made a difference, but he's as good a bet to change the momentum from number 6 as anyone. He's done it plenty before.

  7. #22
    International Coach pup11's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    India
    Posts
    12,146
    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It's funny, but Australia never collapsed so dramatically when Symonds was in the team. Remember when you were 84/5, 134/6 or 18/5? Symonds pulled you out of the mire.

    I don't mean you can say conclusively that he would have made a difference, but he's as good a bet to change the momentum from number 6 as anyone. He's done it plenty before.
    Yeah he did that, but there were numerous umpiring decisions that went his way when he did all that, but more often than not, you would expect him to perish in face of a collapse, because the brand of cricket that he plays makes him too much of a hit and miss player in the longer form of the game.

  8. #23
    International Coach tooextracool's Avatar
    Dick Quicks Island Adventure Champion!
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    not far away from you
    Posts
    14,308
    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    I think Australia missed a guy like Hayden the most at the top of the order, I know he hasn't had a great time when he has played in England in the past, but surely had he been there this time around he would have made a big difference. especially considering that swing with the new ball wasn't much of a factor this time around.

    Swing with the new ball was more of a factor in this Ashes series than it was in 2005 where reverse was king (with the exception of Trent Bridge).
    Tendulkar = the most overated player EVER!!
    Beckham = the most overated footballer EVER!!
    Vassell = the biggest disgrace since rikki clarke!!

  9. #24
    U19 12th Man HMas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    256
    Simon Jones

  10. #25
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Uppercut's Avatar
    Tournaments Won: 1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    .
    Posts
    23,521
    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    Yeah he did that, but there were numerous umpiring decisions that went his way when he did all that, but more often than not, you would expect him to perish in face of a collapse, because the brand of cricket that he plays makes him too much of a hit and miss player in the longer form of the game.
    Who isn't a hit and miss player? Every batsman scores sometimes and doesn't score other times. He might have struggled a little against swing, but I don't really agree with the Richardism that aggressive cricket can never work when the ball moves in the air. It's not exactly a given but I think it's pretty likely that Symonds could have turned one of Australia's three horrendous innings around.

  11. #26
    Virat Kohli (c) Jono's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    54,811
    Yeah he definitely could have. But so could Gilchrist, who admittedly was not at his best, but would have been handy.

    Decent vice captain too, and gives confidence to the team when he comes out at 7, no matter his form, IMO of course.
    "I am very happy and it will allow me to have lot more rice."

    Eoin Morgan on being given a rice cooker for being Man of the Match in a Dhaka Premier Division game.

  12. #27
    International Debutant Majin's Avatar
    TIE Fighter Shooter Champion!
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    England
    Posts
    2,784
    they missed Brett Lee the most imho

  13. #28
    International Coach Ikki's Avatar
    Cricket Champion! Jackpot Champion!
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Death Queen Island
    Posts
    12,594
    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Who isn't a hit and miss player? Every batsman scores sometimes and doesn't score other times. He might have struggled a little against swing, but I don't really agree with the Richardism that aggressive cricket can never work when the ball moves in the air. It's not exactly a given but I think it's pretty likely that Symonds could have turned one of Australia's three horrendous innings around.
    Yeh, often when a player like Symonds comes in and smacks everything, regardless if it's moving in the air, it can have a negative impact on the bowlers who often try something different when they probably should keep pitching it up.
    ★★★★★

  14. #29
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Uppercut's Avatar
    Tournaments Won: 1
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    .
    Posts
    23,521
    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Yeah he definitely could have. But so could Gilchrist, who admittedly was not at his best, but would have been handy.

    Decent vice captain too, and gives confidence to the team when he comes out at 7, no matter his form, IMO of course.
    Yeah, I actually voted for Gilchrist in the poll. I'm just arguing the case for Symonds because I think everyone already knows what Gilchrist could have done.

  15. #30
    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Mister Wright's Avatar
    Burger Time Champion!
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    24,359
    Hauritz.
    Cricketweb Colts Captain



    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Hayden > Lehmann
    I'm a member of Club Kerry

    I'm Green

    The color of immortality, nature and envy - you are truly a unique person. While clearly the color of nature, you also symbolize rebirth, fertility and hope in the world. On the other side of the spectrum, a natural aptitude to money with green coming to signify money and possibly even *********!

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. The Linear Test World Champions
    By BoyBrumby in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 07-07-2012, 09:41 AM
  2. *Official* Club Cricket Season XIV-XV
    By Mr Mxyzptlk in forum CW Offseason Club Cricket
    Replies: 1002
    Last Post: 18-12-2009, 02:37 PM
  3. Australia report bookie approach to ICC
    By andyc in forum Ashes 2009
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 19-08-2009, 12:55 PM
  4. Australia under 19 vs india under 19
    By brockley in forum Cricket Chat
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 13-04-2009, 07:28 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •