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    Quote Originally Posted by 0RI0N View Post
    Well done England for winning the Ashes. There will be no miracles for 0z tomorrow I hate to say.
    The luck has always been with England this series.
    4 tosses won by Strauss
    last pair surviving at Cardiff
    Dodgy umpiring
    What a great heist by England.
    Aus 100's 7
    Eng 100's 2
    2 - 1 to England undeserved but ya, congratulations nonetheless.
    Well, the luck has more or less evened itself out I'd say. Don't forget that England has suffered serious injuries to its two best players. And the umpiring errors have cut both ways.

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    Undeserved? Bit sour for mine, you make your own luck imo, and to say England don't deserve it if they win would be untrue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0RI0N View Post
    last pair surviving at Cardiff
    Not sure how that is lucky TBH. A combination of crap captaincy and really gritty tail end batting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
    Not sure how that is lucky TBH. A combination of crap captaincy and really gritty tail end batting.
    It's why I really hate it when people say "he/she/they deserved to win", No! For mine, unless the result of your particular contest is altered by something totally out of your control (such as the weather, or indeed bad umpiring), you will not deserve to win unless you actually do, it doesn't matter how close you come to winning, I fail to see why coming close to winning somehow means that "you deserve it", no, bull crap.


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    Anderson and Panesar at Cardiff = Lucky

    Lee and McGrath at Old Trafford = Heroic

    Yeah, that's completely fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    It's why I really hate it when people say "he/she/they deserved to win", No! For mine, unless the result of your particular contest is altered by something totally out of your control (such as the weather, or indeed bad umpiring), you will not deserve to win unless you actually do, it doesn't matter how close you come to winning, I fail to see why coming close to winning somehow means that "you deserve it", no, bull crap.
    Half a days play was lost to weather in the First Test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Half a days play was lost to weather in the First Test.
    I remember it well.

    FTR, I wouldn't say England were't lucky to get away with a draw in that match. The whether you deserve to win or not point I meant as something entirely seperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    I remember it well.

    FTR, I wouldn't say England were't lucky to get away with a draw in that match. The whether you deserve to win or not point I meant as something entirely seperate.
    Of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0RI0N View Post
    Well done England for winning the Ashes. There will be no miracles for 0z tomorrow I hate to say.
    The luck has always been with England this series.
    4 tosses won by Strauss
    last pair surviving at Cardiff
    Dodgy umpiring
    What a great heist by England.
    Aus 100's 7
    Eng 100's 2
    2 - 1 to England undeserved but ya, congratulations nonetheless.
    Last pair surviving wasn't lucky. There were no dodgy decisions in their favour etc, they simply stayed in, that's not luck, it's what they were there to do. If you're gonna call that lucky, you might as well say Australia were lucky they bowled so well at Headingley.

    Dodgy umpiring has benefitted us, it also cost us a few wickets in this match.

    Sour post really, if we win tomorrow, then we deserve to win the series, simple really
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    Congratulations England, I can't see our batsman digging this one out.

    England clearly won the sessions that mattered and held on when it mattered.

    Australia appears to have won the stats but lost the series.

    Wickets by Bowlers
    Hilf 22
    Johnson 20
    Siddle 20
    Broad 17 (Broad should get up near the Australians in the last innings but the Australians have taken as a group more wickets.)
    Anderson 12
    Swann 10

    Runs
    Strauss 474
    Clarke 448 (Clarke a good chance to pass Strauss)
    North 357
    Katich 340
    Ponting 319

    Batting Av
    Trott 80 (1 test)
    Clarke 74
    North 59
    Watson 57
    Strauss 52
    Haddin 48
    Katich 48
    Ponting 45
    No other English batsman over 35!

    With the toss 4 to 1 the only stat England are clearly going to own!

    Maybe Australia should take a leaf out of England's book and stack our tail with bowlers who can bat regardless of how poorly they may occasionally bowl. A McDonald comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Last pair surviving wasn't lucky. There were no dodgy decisions in their favour etc,
    Broad should have been out LBW first ball to Johnson and then the rats & mice would have been exposed to about 10 more overs that the lanky lucky one used up after his let off.

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    Okay, if you want to be like that, Bopara wasn't out. Swings and roundabouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Okay, if you want to be like that, Bopara wasn't out. Swings and roundabouts.
    You're right,but that's a poor example. Bopara would have gone on to make 8.
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    I knew someone would say that, personally I think he'd have made a double ton

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