'No Doctoring' of the pitch at the Oval - Page 5

zaremba · 22-08-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 0RI0N

Well done England for winning the Ashes. There will be no miracles for 0z tomorrow I hate to say.
The luck has always been with England this series.
4 tosses won by Strauss
last pair surviving at Cardiff
Dodgy umpiring
What a great heist by England.
Aus 100's 7
Eng 100's 2
2 - 1 to England undeserved but ya, congratulations nonetheless.

Well, the luck has more or less evened itself out I'd say. Don't forget that England has suffered serious injuries to its two best players. And the umpiring errors have cut both ways.

sledger · 22-08-2009, 04:14 PM

Undeserved? Bit sour for mine, you make your own luck imo, and to say England don't deserve it if they win would be untrue.

PhoenixFire · 22-08-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 0RI0N

last pair surviving at Cardiff

Not sure how that is lucky TBH. A combination of crap captaincy and really gritty tail end batting.

sledger · 22-08-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

Not sure how that is lucky TBH. A combination of crap captaincy and really gritty tail end batting.

It's why I really hate it when people say "he/she/they deserved to win", No! For mine, unless the result of your particular contest is altered by something totally out of your control (such as the weather, or indeed bad umpiring), you will not deserve to win unless you actually do, it doesn't matter how close you come to winning, I fail to see why coming close to winning somehow means that "you deserve it", no, bull crap.

Pizzorno · 22-08-2009, 04:21 PM

Anderson and Panesar at Cardiff = Lucky

Lee and McGrath at Old Trafford = Heroic

Yeah, that's completely fair.

Lillian Thomson · 22-08-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sledger

It's why I really hate it when people say "he/she/they deserved to win", No! For mine, unless the result of your particular contest is altered by something totally out of your control (such as the weather, or indeed bad umpiring), you will not deserve to win unless you actually do, it doesn't matter how close you come to winning, I fail to see why coming close to winning somehow means that "you deserve it", no, bull crap.

Half a days play was lost to weather in the First Test.

sledger · 22-08-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson

Half a days play was lost to weather in the First Test.

I remember it well.

FTR, I wouldn't say England were't lucky to get away with a draw in that match. The whether you deserve to win or not point I meant as something entirely seperate.

Lillian Thomson · 22-08-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sledger

I remember it well.

FTR, I wouldn't say England were't lucky to get away with a draw in that match. The whether you deserve to win or not point I meant as something entirely seperate.

Of course.

GIMH · 22-08-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 0RI0N

Well done England for winning the Ashes. There will be no miracles for 0z tomorrow I hate to say.
The luck has always been with England this series.
4 tosses won by Strauss
last pair surviving at Cardiff
Dodgy umpiring
What a great heist by England.
Aus 100's 7
Eng 100's 2
2 - 1 to England undeserved but ya, congratulations nonetheless.

Last pair surviving wasn't lucky. There were no dodgy decisions in their favour etc, they simply stayed in, that's not luck, it's what they were there to do. If you're gonna call that lucky, you might as well say Australia were lucky they bowled so well at Headingley.

Dodgy umpiring has benefitted us, it also cost us a few wickets in this match.

Sour post really, if we win tomorrow, then we deserve to win the series, simple really

Malleeboy · 22-08-2009, 08:54 PM

Congratulations England, I can't see our batsman digging this one out.

England clearly won the sessions that mattered and held on when it mattered.

Australia appears to have won the stats but lost the series.

Wickets by Bowlers
Hilf 22
Johnson 20
Siddle 20
Broad 17 (Broad should get up near the Australians in the last innings but the Australians have taken as a group more wickets.)
Anderson 12
Swann 10

Runs
Strauss 474
Clarke 448 (Clarke a good chance to pass Strauss)
North 357
Katich 340
Ponting 319

Batting Av
Trott 80 (1 test)
Clarke 74
North 59
Watson 57
Strauss 52
Haddin 48
Katich 48
Ponting 45
No other English batsman over 35!

With the toss 4 to 1 the only stat England are clearly going to own!

Maybe Australia should take a leaf out of England's book and stack our tail with bowlers who can bat regardless of how poorly they may occasionally bowl. A McDonald comes to mind.

Daryl Harper · 22-08-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Last pair surviving wasn't lucky. There were no dodgy decisions in their favour etc,

Broad should have been out LBW first ball to Johnson and then the rats & mice would have been exposed to about 10 more overs that the lanky lucky one used up after his let off.

GIMH · 23-08-2009, 03:10 AM

Okay, if you want to be like that, Bopara wasn't out. Swings and roundabouts.

howardj · 23-08-2009, 03:56 AM

Will the curator be joining the lads on the open-top bus tour?

Burgey · 23-08-2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Okay, if you want to be like that, Bopara wasn't out. Swings and roundabouts.

You're right,but that's a poor example. Bopara would have gone on to make 8.

GIMH · 23-08-2009, 06:11 AM

I knew someone would say that, personally I think he'd have made a double ton

22-08-2009, 04:21 PM	#65 (permalink)
Pizzorno State Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St.Helens Posts: 937	Anderson and Panesar at Cardiff = Lucky Lee and McGrath at Old Trafford = Heroic Yeah, that's completely fair. __________________ In affectionate remembrance of Australian cricket, which died at the Oval on 23rd August 2009. Deeply lamented by a large circle of criminals and bar staff. RIP.

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22-08-2009, 04:14 PM	#62 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,149	Undeserved? Bit sour for mine, you make your own luck imo, and to say England don't deserve it if they win would be untrue.

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Malleeboy School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 172	Congratulations England, I can't see our batsman digging this one out. England clearly won the sessions that mattered and held on when it mattered. Australia appears to have won the stats but lost the series. Wickets by Bowlers Hilf 22 Johnson 20 Siddle 20 Broad 17 (Broad should get up near the Australians in the last innings but the Australians have taken as a group more wickets.) Anderson 12 Swann 10 Runs Strauss 474 Clarke 448 (Clarke a good chance to pass Strauss) North 357 Katich 340 Ponting 319 Batting Av Trott 80 (1 test) Clarke 74 North 59 Watson 57 Strauss 52 Haddin 48 Katich 48 Ponting 45 No other English batsman over 35! With the toss 4 to 1 the only stat England are clearly going to own! Maybe Australia should take a leaf out of England's book and stack our tail with bowlers who can bat regardless of how poorly they may occasionally bowl. A McDonald comes to mind.

23-08-2009, 03:10 AM	#72 (permalink)
GIMH Eternal Optimist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shake my tree where's the apple for me? Posts: 43,622	Okay, if you want to be like that, Bopara wasn't out. Swings and roundabouts.

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howardj International Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: brisbane Posts: 12,107	Will the curator be joining the lads on the open-top bus tour?

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GIMH Eternal Optimist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shake my tree where's the apple for me? Posts: 43,622	I knew someone would say that, personally I think he'd have made a double ton

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