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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Firstly, Broad is neither dregs nor is it proven that he isn't Test-class. He averages 33.52 with the ball over the last twelve months, sure it's not world-class but it's hardly an epic fail, especially when coupled with 25 with the bat. FWIW he clearly was picked too early and the 'for the future' approach may or may not have cost us a few games here and there, but I think now people are actually realising - who would we rather have in the team? And when you realise, erm, well, actually, nobody, then it's not the nonsense selection everyone makes it out to be.

    And I suppose Ramps' ability in the middle order is better than the proven failures we have in there like Collingwood or Flintoff? Yeah sure, Ramprakash has won many more games in a moment with the bat than Flintoff....
    Flintoff isn't even declared fit, the whole issue with his knee has prevented him turning between the wickets.. I guess England could pick him as a specialist batsman and he could stand there and biff, but thats a gamble and a half.. Collingwood hasn't looked remotely like scoring anything.. If the Aussies bowl anything like they did in the first two tests at Ramps, he should eat them for breakfast.. He probably won't though..

    I'd have Sidebottom in for Broad if the top order were looking slightly less like a game of jenga..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt View Post
    Flintoff isn't even declared fit, the whole issue with his knee has prevented him turning between the wickets.. I guess England could pick him as a specialist batsman and he could stand there and biff, but thats a gamble and a half.. Collingwood hasn't looked remotely like scoring anything.. If the Aussies bowl anything like they did in the first two tests at Ramps, he should eat them for breakfast.. He probably won't though..

    I'd have Sidebottom in for Broad if the top order were looking slightly less like a game of jenga..
    Flintoff pretty much has been declared fit and then you go on to contradict yourself. Colly scored three fifties in four innings when Oz bowled like they did in the first two tests...

    As for Sidey V Broad - look, I love Sidey. But did you happen to see what happened when they last bowled in the same series? Guess who was by far and away the better bowler...
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    Didn't help the matter that Sidey was a million miles away from being fit enough to bowl.

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    I honestly think Ramps would be the best selection for this case. It's a one off thing, in a situation that England need to win. If he comes in, and does well, it will have been a genius move to bring him back in. And as has been mentioned previously, the man has scored heavy runs consistently for years now at county. It's not entirely unfathomable that he could do it one more time at a ground where he's got 29 tons out of 60 odd games or whatever the stat is. On the other hand, if he comes in and fails and England lose, well, so what? We all know that Ramps can be fragile at test level, and at least you haven't heaped the pressure onto a guy like Trott. Who knows what effect bringing him in for this test and the team losing badly might have on a young guy. Whatever happens to Ramps, it's not going to make a huge difference in the overall scheme of things. So I'm all for giving him a chance.

    Then again I'm Surrey biased anyway would love to see Ramps get one more shot.


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    I'd love to see Mark Ramprakash back playing test cricket even if it was for this test. I really liked his quote in the BBC article that was posted and he said 'People still think this is 1995' and that 'People continue to develop, grow and improve'. I think he's spot on.

    The Mark Ramprakash of today is 39 years old, has a huge amount of experience, knows his game inside out and back to front and is much more likely to cope with pressure and succeed than a 25 or 30 year old Mark Ramprakash did.

    If he gets selected I'd say there is a pretty good chance of him doing well, especially in the form that he's currently in and the amount of experience he has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majin View Post
    On the other hand, if he comes in and fails and England lose, well, so what? We all know that Ramps can be fragile at test level, and at least you haven't heaped the pressure onto a guy like Trott. Who knows what effect bringing him in for this test and the team losing badly might have on a young guy. Whatever happens to Ramps, it's not going to make a huge difference in the overall scheme of things. So I'm all for giving him a chance.
    This. I've been saying something along the same lines recently. Personally, If I was Ramps and I got the call, I would be anything but nervous. Here is the one chance that he thought he would never get to change perspective on his international career and end as an Ashes hero and the downside is minimal given his international record.

    If I was Trott on the other hand and I got the call now, I would be at least a little bit nervous. 1 poor test is all it takes to end a career, ask Gavin Hamilton and if Trott didn't play this test, we all know that he'll probably get a call up eventually anyhow. Trott simply has a lot more to lose than Ramps and if you ask me that is equivalent to greater pressure on the man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Flintoff pretty much has been declared fit and then you go on to contradict yourself. Colly scored three fifties in four innings when Oz bowled like they did in the first two tests...
    Thats exactly the problem though. Why are we lauding 50s? Ok credit to him for his performance in the first test for batting as long as he did, but the bottom line is that 50s on flat pitches dont mean anything other than failure for not going on to carry on. Collingwood bats in the top 5, there is no excuse for not scoring 100s when you have the chance to cash in on flat batting strips against mediocre bowling. None whatsoever.

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    This is all true and I do agree that Trott does have more to worry about that Ramps in terms of his future but surley if Ramps was to play and do well then he would have to be considered for South Africa?

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    While I'd definitely love Bell and Bopara to play again, I can't say I mind the idea of picking a 40 year old, proven Test-failure. Bring back Scott Muller, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    In that case, I pick Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    This is all true and I do agree that Trott does have more to worry about that Ramps in terms of his future but surley if Ramps was to play and do well then he would have to be considered for South Africa?
    Not really, with Pietersen probably returning, selectors can quite easily look to the future and pick Bopara/Joyce, Pietersen, Trott, Collingwood, Prior as the middle order for the tour of SA if they wanted to.

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves though, he needs to get picked first, then he needs to score and then England need to win the match for him to even be considered for the tour of SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    Not really, with Pietersen probably returning, selectors can quite easily look to the future and pick Bopara/Joyce, Pietersen, Trott, Collingwood, Prior as the middle order for the tour of SA if they wanted to.

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves though, he needs to get picked first, then he needs to score and then England need to win the match for him to even be considered for the tour of SA.
    They can easily not pick for SA, presuming he gets picked for the Oval test. Just have to do what they did with Bicknell in 2003, simple horses for courses selection say thank you at the end & let him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    Not really, with Pietersen probably returning, selectors can quite easily look to the future and pick Bopara/Joyce, Pietersen, Trott, Collingwood, Prior as the middle order for the tour of SA if they wanted to.

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves though, he needs to get picked first, then he needs to score and then England need to win the match for him to even be considered for the tour of SA.
    I know this all hypothetical and the chances are he wont even play but if Ramps dis do well then why not take him to South Africa? In regards to his age are couple of months really going to make any difference? Picking a player simply for one match and not considering him again regardless of his performance seems illogical to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    Thats exactly the problem though. Why are we lauding 50s? Ok credit to him for his performance in the first test for batting as long as he did, but the bottom line is that 50s on flat pitches dont mean anything other than failure for not going on to carry on. Collingwood bats in the top 5, there is no excuse for not scoring 100s when you have the chance to cash in on flat batting strips against mediocre bowling. None whatsoever.
    Completely agree actually, I was simply contesting the point that he hasn't looked like scoring anything

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