Langer's pre-ashes dossier in the Telegraph

oitoitoi · 09-08-2009, 03:27 AM

Suprised there isn't already a thread for this so thought I'd make one. It appears Justin Langer's written a dossier about some of the England players and English players in general, and it's been leaked in the Telegraph. Agree with most of it apart from his tactics against Bopara against whom I'd bowl inswingers to get him playing around that front pad. Both he and Bell have a similar weakness, it's no coincidence that this is the first time ever that England's no.3 and 4 have scored in single figures in both innings.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...s-dossier.html

Vaughan's response is almost as interesting:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...l-Vaughan.html

Any opinions?

GIMH · 09-08-2009, 03:31 AM

"Ravi Bopara is a good player"

vic_orthdox · 09-08-2009, 04:24 AM

Very interesting read, both articles.

Son Of Coco · 09-08-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wpdavid

Anyone read it? Apparently it's as damning as you can get.

There are links at the top of the page. Think it's fairly close to the mark given what we've seen so far, and Vaughan's reply indicates as much. The part about Bopara being a good batsman is obviously a little way off the mark though.

Both articles are interesting.

vic_orthdox · 09-08-2009, 04:53 AM

Reckon that there's a fair bit to be said about his comments on Jimmy Anderson. The fact that he would have played most of his Tests in a five man attack may have covered up the fact that there is still far too much of a difference between his best and worst, and that there can't be such a difference in his attitude just because the ball is swinging.

I'm not sure that he can be called a world class bowler, until he can be counted to produce consistency in flat conditions. I'm not asking him to take hauls in good batting conditions, just to be reliable and able to bowl in a partnership.

_Ed_ · 09-08-2009, 04:56 AM

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they will taper off very quickly if you wear them down in all apartments.

That's a bit harsh, surely? Nothing wrong with some mind games during a match, but leave them on the cricket field.

Son Of Coco · 09-08-2009, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by _Ed_

That's a bit harsh, surely? Nothing wrong with some mind games in the during a match, but leave them on the cricket field.

The Fanatics obviously took his advice.

Burgey · 09-08-2009, 05:05 AM

Of course, Langer confirms the Murray Mints infamy, and Vaughan says nothing to dispel it.

Rest of it is largely accurate too. Which might explain why they resort to the mints to try and overcome the other shortcomings.

fredfertang · 09-08-2009, 06:22 AM

Have to say I'm amazed that Tresco's little Murraymints joke seems to have found it's way into Ashes folklore - there are some gullible folk around (and bitter ones)

dontcloseyoureyes · 09-08-2009, 06:26 AM

Lehmann all but confirmed today on the coverage that it happens quite regularly in County Cricket, ftr.

pasag · 09-08-2009, 06:29 AM

Lol at mind games.

Ikki · 09-08-2009, 10:37 AM

Spot On Langer.

Pigeon · 09-08-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by _Ed_

That's a bit harsh, surely? Nothing wrong with some mind games during a match, but leave them on the cricket field.

He has done nothing which us fans have not debated in forums like this.

zaremba · 09-08-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

Of course, Langer confirms the Murray Mints infamy, and Vaughan says nothing to dispel it.

I'd be interested to hear your views about the Aussie jellybean infamy, Burgey.

zaremba · 09-08-2009, 12:11 PM

In a slightly Kevin Keegan sort of way, I'd love it if we won at the Oval, preferably with The Pussy taking 10 wickets.

09-08-2009, 03:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
oitoitoi State Vice-Captain Join Date: May 2008 Location: England (support India) Posts: 1,404	Langer's 'Anderson's a bit of a pussy' Dossier Suprised there isn't already a thread for this so thought I'd make one. It appears Justin Langer's written a dossier about some of the England players and English players in general, and it's been leaked in the Telegraph. Agree with most of it apart from his tactics against Bopara against whom I'd bowl inswingers to get him playing around that front pad. Both he and Bell have a similar weakness, it's no coincidence that this is the first time ever that England's no.3 and 4 have scored in single figures in both innings. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...s-dossier.html Vaughan's response is almost as interesting: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...l-Vaughan.html Any opinions? Last edited by oitoitoi; 09-08-2009 at 03:29 AM.

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vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,363	Very interesting read, both articles. Last edited by vic_orthdox; 09-08-2009 at 04:25 AM.

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vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,363	Reckon that there's a fair bit to be said about his comments on Jimmy Anderson. The fact that he would have played most of his Tests in a five man attack may have covered up the fact that there is still far too much of a difference between his best and worst, and that there can't be such a difference in his attitude just because the ball is swinging. I'm not sure that he can be called a world class bowler, until he can be counted to produce consistency in flat conditions. I'm not asking him to take hauls in good batting conditions, just to be reliable and able to bowl in a partnership.

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,711	Have to say I'm amazed that Tresco's little Murraymints joke seems to have found it's way into Ashes folklore - there are some gullible folk around (and bitter ones)

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pasag RTDAS Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Looking for milksteak Posts: 31,679	Lol at mind games. __________________ Rest In Peace Craigos 2003-2012

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Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,032	Spot On Langer. __________________ I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh [Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran [Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever. And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara

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