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*Official* Fifth Test at The Oval

four_or_six

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Scaly piscine said:
In this instance the pressure has been taken off him somewhat by his two batting partners both scoring quickly. It is quite a comfortable situation in terms of he can just bat how he likes, if say now you had a flurry of wickets and it gets to the 5 down then the pressure starts turning on him as he's the main man and you're at the tipping point in the game. Obviously for all we know he could have had a few lives already, but that's the sort of thing the ECB has to take note of. They have to look at how he plays when it's a tough situation and he has to put a performance in to give the team a realistic chance - does he make teams really earn his wicket, or does he just keep getting out in a soft/nervous nicker manner. This season he's just continued to flat track bully and get out cheaply when it's a backs to the wall situation.
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He's following on though, basically if Warwks want to win this match it's up to these two.

I agree with the chances etc, definitely, and how he looks. I'm sure there's a selector watching these two today.
 
four_or_six

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Scaly piscine said:
In this instance the pressure has been taken off him somewhat by his two batting partners both scoring quickly. It is quite a comfortable situation in terms of he can just bat how he likes, if say now you had a flurry of wickets and it gets to the 5 down then the pressure starts turning on him as he's the main man and you're at the tipping point in the game. Obviously for all we know he could have had a few lives already, but that's the sort of thing the ECB has to take note of. They have to look at how he plays when it's a tough situation and he has to put a performance in to give the team a realistic chance - does he make teams really earn his wicket, or does he just keep getting out in a soft/nervous nicker manner. This season he's just continued to flat track bully and get out cheaply when it's a backs to the wall situation.
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Trott out for 121. It's down to Bell then.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
Scaly piscine said:
In this instance the pressure has been taken off him somewhat by his two batting partners both scoring quickly. It is quite a comfortable situation in terms of he can just bat how he likes, if say now you had a flurry of wickets and it gets to the 5 down then the pressure starts turning on him as he's the main man and you're at the tipping point in the game. Obviously for all we know he could have had a few lives already, but that's the sort of thing the ECB has to take note of. They have to look at how he plays when it's a tough situation and he has to put a performance in to give the team a realistic chance - does he make teams really earn his wicket, or does he just keep getting out in a soft/nervous nicker manner. This season he's just continued to flat track bully and get out cheaply when it's a backs to the wall situation.
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Just because a player scores runs at the domestic level and fails more often at the international level, it doesn't mean that they are mentally weak. I don't buy the whole mentally weak BS.

Bell doesn't score runs at the international level because he's not good enough at that level. Its just as simple as that.
 
aussie

aussie

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tooextracool said:
Just because a player scores runs at the domestic level and fails more often at the international level, it doesn't mean that they are mentally weak. I don't buy the whole mentally weak BS.

Bell doesn't score runs at the international level because he's not good enough at that level. Its just as simple as that.
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He is mentally weak, because in almost every pressure situation Bell's career excpet Brisbane 06 & Multan 05. He has failed.

Him scoring runs at FC level, further highlights the underlying problem in CC of - the poor standard of bowling. Look at that bowling attack, geez behind Sidebottom its rubbish.
 
Manee

Manee

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aussie said:
Him scoring runs at FC level, further highlights the underlying problem in CC of - the poor standard of bowling. Look at that bowling attack, geez behind Sidebottom its rubbish.
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Division One county cricket is a good level of competition. Sidebottom is a Test bowler. Shreck has been an A team fixture, Andre Adams has a superb FC record and Ealham has 634 FC wickets and has 17 Test wickets at under 30. Notts' attack is not rubbish!
 
aussie

aussie

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Manee said:
Division One county cricket is a good level of competition.
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Not 100%. In some area's its just as bad as division 2. For example ENG batsmen ability to play leg-spin hasn't improved. Mushy & Danish taking wickets season after season, but looking woeful for PAK in test proves this.

Manee said:
Sidebottom is a Test bowler. Shreck has been an A team fixture, Andre Adams has a superb FC record and Ealham has 634 FC wickets and has 17 Test wickets at under 30. Notts' attack is not rubbish!
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Outside Sidebottom, non are/where test quality. So its "rubbish" in the sense that its poor preparation for the AUS pace attack.
 
pup11

pup11

International Coach
With both Trott and Bell scoring runs for Warwickshire, it certainly dampens Ramps chances for making a comeback.
 
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aussie said:
He is mentally weak, because in almost every pressure situation Bell's career excpet Brisbane 06 & Multan 05.
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I'd say in almost every instance of Bell coming up against good bowling he's failed. It's just a case of not being good enough IMO. Far too vulnerable to any ball in a decent area.
 
GIMH

GIMH

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We won there last year, drew in 07, won by forefeit in 06, drew in 05, won in 04, won in 03....decent recent record that. We'll win.
 
Scaly piscine

Scaly piscine

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GeraintIsMyHero said:
We won there last year, drew in 07, won by forefeit in 06, drew in 05, won in 04, won in 03....decent recent record that. We'll win.
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Won there last year, a rare result pitch.

Draw.

Probable draw turned into a forfeit by Pakistan.

Draw.

Minnow team.

484 v 604 in the first innings.

Draw.

Yea no reason to worry at all.
 
Scaly piscine

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Pressure went up a few notches with a slow-scoring bat at the other end with safety a couple of hours away. No real surprise.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
aussie said:
He is mentally weak, because in almost every pressure situation Bell's career excpet Brisbane 06 & Multan 05. He has failed.

Him scoring runs at FC level, further highlights the underlying problem in CC of - the poor standard of bowling. Look at that bowling attack, geez behind Sidebottom its rubbish.
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I don't think it has anything to do with pressure. The fact that he has scored runs under pressure in the past proves that (add Kandy 07/08). His problem IMO is his concentration and if you keep bowling the right lines and lengths to him he will throw his wicket away. Right handed Mark Butcher for mine, with less ability to graft but better against spin.
 
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