KP Out - Page 4

Richard · 23-07-2009, 08:30 AM

In one match, I'd be 50:50 on them; on a series or a year, I'd have Pietersen without a backward glance.

tooextracool · 23-07-2009, 08:33 AM

Personally, I'd take M. Hussey over the 2 of them but thats just me.

Pup Clarke · 23-07-2009, 08:40 AM

Are we talking of them as 'individual' batsman or as batsman who enchance their teams positions?

Richard · 23-07-2009, 08:46 AM

As a rule, the two tend to be compartmentalised. Doing one means you have a very strong chance of doing the other.

James_W · 23-07-2009, 09:37 AM

Hussey>>Pietersen for me.

Uppercut · 23-07-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pup Clarke

Are we talking of them as 'individual' batsman or as batsman who enchance their teams positions?

Can't see why that would make a difference.

I'd take Ponting too. Every single time.

James_W · 23-07-2009, 10:06 AM

Oops I thought the argument was Pietersen vs Hussey. KP vs. Ponting isn't even close.

BoyBrumby · 23-07-2009, 11:57 AM

It's no slur on KP to have to demur to Ponting, Punter's in the top half-dozen ever Oz batsmen. Only really Bradman is certainly above him, although cases could be made for G Chappell & (perhaps) Trumper too.

Pietersen's streets ahead of Hussey just now tho, there's not even a case to make for the latter on current form. When a bloke is in semi-serious danger of being dropped it's a nonsense to look at his whole career for a form guide.

Richard · 23-07-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by James_W

Oops I thought the argument was Pietersen vs Hussey. KP vs. Ponting isn't even close.

Of course it is. Considering Ponting the better currently isn't completely devoid of merit, but suggesting he's streets ahead is plain wrong. Anyone making such a suggestion frankly suggests they've not been watching cricket since December 2006.

four_or_six · 23-07-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Of course it is. Considering Ponting the better currently isn't completely devoid of merit, but suggesting he's streets ahead is plain wrong. Anyone making such a suggestion frankly suggests they've not been watching cricket since December 2006.

If I could chose one, I'd definitely have Ponting.

Statistically, KP is averaging higher, but he does have the advantage of having played 34% of his matches against West Indies in that time, whereas Ponting only 8%... and that does have some effect on the stats.

Richard · 23-07-2009, 12:49 PM

So let's hear their averages against South Africa, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka then?

BoyBrumby · 23-07-2009, 12:50 PM

I think their respective innings in the first test are the reason I'd choose Punter first still. He's far less likely to jizz it away once set.

EDIT: Incidentally, it said in today's Guardian of KP's likely replacement that he's played 10 tests versus Oz and has recorded 11 single figure scores. Not a stat to warm English cockles.

Marcuss · 23-07-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

So let's hear their averages against South Africa, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka then?

Opposition - Pietersen - Ponting

India - 47.33 - 47.02

New Zealand - 44.50 - 64.85

Pakistan - 42.15 - 81.61

South Africa - 60.14 - 56.38

Sri Lanka - 48.60 - 50.05

West Indies - 57.56 - 62.77

four_or_six · 23-07-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

So let's hear their averages against South Africa, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka then?

Almost what you asked for, but including Aus/Eng

KP 46.18

Ponting 42.97

I could close the gap a little by declaring NZ also not worthy.

Richard · 23-07-2009, 01:13 PM

or not, they've played them a roughly equal amount. And clearly, while it's right to point-out that Pietersen has benefited from West Indies to a far greater degree, in doing that you must also acknowledge that Pietersen's runs against Australia in 2006/07 were worth far, far more than Ponting's against England.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,642	It's no slur on KP to have to demur to Ponting, Punter's in the top half-dozen ever Oz batsmen. Only really Bradman is certainly above him, although cases could be made for G Chappell & (perhaps) Trumper too. Pietersen's streets ahead of Hussey just now tho, there's not even a case to make for the latter on current form. When a bloke is in semi-serious danger of being dropped it's a nonsense to look at his whole career for a form guide. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,642	I think their respective innings in the first test are the reason I'd choose Punter first still. He's far less likely to jizz it away once set. EDIT: Incidentally, it said in today's Guardian of KP's likely replacement that he's played 10 tests versus Oz and has recorded 11 single figure scores. Not a stat to warm English cockles. Last edited by BoyBrumby; 23-07-2009 at 12:52 PM.

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23-07-2009, 08:46 AM	#49 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	As a rule, the two tend to be compartmentalised. Doing one means you have a very strong chance of doing the other.

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James_W U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belfast, NI Posts: 564	Hussey>>Pietersen for me.

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James_W U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belfast, NI Posts: 564	Oops I thought the argument was Pietersen vs Hussey. KP vs. Ponting isn't even close.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	So let's hear their averages against South Africa, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka then?

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	or not, they've played them a roughly equal amount. And clearly, while it's right to point-out that Pietersen has benefited from West Indies to a far greater degree, in doing that you must also acknowledge that Pietersen's runs against Australia in 2006/07 were worth far, far more than Ponting's against England.

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