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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12 View Post
    He's easily quick enough provided he can bowl accurately and seam & swing the ball, which he seemed capable of doing last I saw him bowl. Nobody ever criticizes the likes of Hadlee, Mcgrath or the like of not being quick enough for Test level. Much better option the Broad for a start (who I still can't believe is rated as highly as he seems to be) IMHO.

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    Broads actually put on a yard of pace since he was diring up New Zealand. Still not good enough to be a frontline bowler though. 140+ reliably is still good pace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Broads actually put on a yard of pace since he was diring up New Zealand. Still not good enough to be a frontline bowler though. 140+ reliably is still good pace
    I've seen heaps of Broad since he played against NZ last year & I'd definitely have Sidebottom ahead of him. Main reason being he attacks the stumps more than Broad. Ironically, its been Broad's ability with the bat that has most impressed me in recent times.

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    Well yeah Sidebottom is certainly a frontline bowler, but Broad's rapid improvement is basically opening up the publics eyes to his massive future potential. I reckon chuck out MSP for Sidey or Onions and keep Broad for the batting and hope he has a few good spells.

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    Hoggard has been ****e cos he believes his International career is over.

    Harmisson & Sidebottom both are better than Broad ATM. Broad cant take 5-fer by bowling cross-seam.

    I say, pick Harmy & Sidebom and drop MSP & Broad.


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    Broad has taken a Test 5fer, so you're wrong there.

    As for picking Harmison and Sidebottom, no thanks, Onions has been the best bowler in the country this season, and he should be picked ahead of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    According to our spies on the forum who saw him bowl for Yorkshire (four_or_six) he's now ****e.
    I think I said overweight and/or unfit. It was last August though, no idea about how he's going this season.

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    Div one.

    Onions 40 @ 13.02
    Harmison 35 @ 18.68
    Hoggard 28 @ 27.50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stapel View Post
    I find it harder to comprehend why Hoggard is never considered. What has he done wrong?
    Last 12 Tests - 31 wickets @ 41.35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Last 12 Tests - 31 wickets @ 41.35.

    The "one bad Test" is a myth
    and in the 4 tests preceding the game in NZ, he had taken 12 wickets at under 27. This btw includes a series in SL which is hardly renowned for being a bowlers paradise.

    If we go to the 5 preceding tests (which is the last Ashes series) he took 13 wickets@ 37, which is ordinary but ignores the fact that he was our best bowler on show. So basically, in his last 3 series he was our best bowler and then got dropped in NZ after one poor game.

    Its always useful to arbitrarily throw in a number like '12', but its important to realize that the high average is really the result of series that were played about 1.5 years before he was dropped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Div one.

    Onions 40 @ 13.02
    Harmison 35 @ 18.68
    Hoggard 28 @ 27.50
    Div two.

    Panesar 6 @ 86.66

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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Hoggard looked crazy on that Ashes 2005 special they had on, crazy hair.....that adds nothing to anything, but yeah I thought that hair was a bit wild....could of at least combed it. -_-

    I'd bring Onions & Harmiso in, form just doesn't come flying back to you, so you can't expect Sidebottom to hit his lines and get wickets, no chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Div one.

    Onions 40 @ 13.02
    Harmison 35 @ 18.68
    Hoggard 28 @ 27.50
    To build on that, here's a decent list of the guys that we could possibly consider as bowling options and their Championship records this season:

    Anderson 11 @ 9.90
    Onions 40 @ 13.02
    Broad 7 @ 15.14
    Flintoff 8 @ 18.62
    Harmison 35 @ 18.68
    Swann 6 @ 21.16
    Plunkett 19 @ 22.15
    Mahmood 24 @ 24.08
    Rashid 10 @ 27.30
    Hoggard 28 @ 27.50
    Sidebottom 10 @ 30.20
    Pattinson 7 @ 46.28
    Bresnan 8 @ 59.50
    Amjad Khan 2 @ 78.00
    Panesar 6 @ 86.66

    Hoggard and Sidebottom being outbowled by Rashid, Mahmood, Plunkett, Swann, Harmison, Flintoff, Broad, Onions and Anderson. Ouch. Nice to see 1 cap wonders, Amjad, Bresnan and Pattinson performing well this season as well =]
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    It's as simple as if Sidebottom puts in some good performances in the next few weeks, he should be back in the team. Unfortunately he's barely played this season, first due to fitness, then due to international commitments, and recently due to the fact that Notts have been out of action.

    And @ K_P: TBF, Bresnan is a two-cap wonder (have to hope it stays that way TBH)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Div two.

    Panesar 6 @ 86.66

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