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    Quote Originally Posted by shivfan View Post
    When Dillon and Ramnarine did it against South Africa in 2001, they were hauled before the match referee. Thankfully, they were acquitted, but the English press had a field day, accusing the WI of time-wasting tactics....

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    I see very little difference between what happened in the Caribbean in 2001 and what happened in Cardiff yesterday evening.

    But there is a big difference in today's Indy headlines!
    If you can't see the difference then you clearly didn't see it at all. The two West Indians wasted at least 10 minutes. One feigned an injury and limped around and had the physio on for several minutes. The other had a complete change of footwear and thigh pads in the middle which also took a few minutes. What England did was pathetic but it was in no way comparable to that incident.

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    Whilst morally it's hard to defend, I'm have frankly been outraged if we hadn't tried something like it once it became apparent that time as well as overs bowled was a factor. Would've been unprofessional. No different to those association football substitutions made a couple of minutes from the end solely to waste time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Whilst morally it's hard to defend, I'm have frankly been outraged if we hadn't tried something like it once it became apparent that time as well as overs bowled was a factor. Would've been unprofessional. No different to those association football substitutions made a couple of minutes from the end solely to waste time.
    Agreed - and who doesn't honestly think Australia wouldn't have done exactly the same thing if the positions were reversed?

    The fact is that we had eleven-and-a-half overs at no.10 and 11, one of whom is a noted all-time bunny, and we couldn't get the wicket.
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    The Poms should be given every credit for their efforts in wasting a little bit of time towards the end of the game. It's the only thing they did well for nigh on five days
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco View Post
    The Poms should be given every credit for their efforts in wasting a little bit of time towards the end of the game. It's the only thing they did well for nigh on five days
    Don't agree that it was the only thing we did well. We also made the Australian attack look half decent.

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    Ponting can get right off his high horse. Australia would have done exactly the same and it's nice how he didn't mention how Haddin continues to keep wicket with his hands in front of the stumps. Now that's not exactly in the spirit either is it Ricky lad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    Agreed - and who doesn't honestly think Australia wouldn't have done exactly the same thing if the positions were reversed?
    Exactly. Any team would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Don't agree that it was the only thing we did well. We also made the Australian attack look half decent.


    Pretty good actually. And Swann and Bopara made the wicket look like a minefield on occasions by ducking into bouncers or turning their heads. That was good of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pizzorno View Post
    Ponting can get right off his high horse. Australia would have done exactly the same and it's nice how he didn't mention how Haddin continues to keep wicket with his hands in front of the stumps. Now that's not exactly in the spirit either is it Ricky lad?
    I couldn't say for sure that he would. Did he do it in 2005? I can't remember to be honest.

    The argument that "you'd do it too" is a hollow one, and as for saying Ponting can't make a comment because of his own actions - that's ridiculous.

    But, we wouldn't have won anyway by that stage. Ponting himself said it wasn't why we didn't get the win.
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    How the hell do you guys know that we would have done the same thing if positions were reversed? It's a totally ridiculous accusation founded upon nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inbox24 View Post
    How the hell do you guys know that we would have done the same thing if positions were reversed? It's a totally ridiculous accusation founded upon nothing.
    We're not exactly whiter than white when it comes to gamesmanship though, are we? Fair enough if you don't think Australia would have done the same - that's your call and we'll honestly never know either way - but it's not as though Australia doesn't have previous and I'd disagree with the idea that it's "totally ridiculous" and "founded upon nothing" to suggest we'd do something similar.

    Again though, bottom line is we had 69 balls at 10 and 11 and couldn't get them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco View Post
    I couldn't say for sure that he would. Did he do it in 2005? I can't remember to be honest.

    The arguement that "you'd do it too" is a hollow one, and as for saying Ponting can't make a comment because of his own actions - that's ridiculous.

    But, we wouldn't have won anyway by that stage. Ponting himself said it wasn't why we didn't get the win.
    "Everyone does it" - the rubbish defence of everyone who gets a speeding fine.

    You make a good point mate. He should raise it. So if it's tried on again the match officials are all aware of it as an issue. There may be a time when it will be of some importance, if the minty grubs have another crack at it.

    It's also about when these things happen, as it is in any sport. Get a dodgy bit of gamesmanship on day 2 of a bore-draw, or in the 30th minute of a league game, no one notices. Same thing happens in the 80th minute, it's headline news.

    Loving the comment about Ponting's appeal from the same people who mocked their own bloke (Monty, with Strauss at slip baying away btw) for excessive appealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    We're not exactly whiter than white when it comes to gamesmanship though, are we? Fair enough if you don't think Australia would have done the same - that's your call and we'll honestly never know either way - but it's not as though Australia doesn't have previous and I'd disagree with the idea that it's "totally ridiculous" and "founded upon nothing" to suggest we'd do something similar.

    Again though, bottom line is we had 69 balls at 10 and 11 and couldn't get them out.
    Again, did we do it in 2005 when we were in a similar position?

    You're right about us having enough deliveries left to get them out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son Of Coco View Post
    Again, did we do it in 2005 when we were in a similar position?
    I honestly don't remember mate, but if we didn't then fair play.

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