Selection errors tally thread

Richard · 08-07-2009, 05:00 AM

Let's have one of these. Pretty much universally agreed that it was a mistake to select Hilfenhaus over Clark and MSP over Onions. So without any of this hindsight nonsense making obvious errors seem like they were the right decision, that's 2 errors made already, 1 from either side.

Craig · 08-07-2009, 05:12 AM

What's the case with Ryan Sidebottom?

Richard · 08-07-2009, 05:13 AM

Don't think anyone could've justified Sidebottom playing in this match. If he eventually picks-up his Championship form then he should at some point come back.

Craig · 08-07-2009, 05:18 AM

So a case of poor form and injury in the last 12 months?

superkingdave · 08-07-2009, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Uppercut

Strauss was not-out lbw to a yorker from Johnson just before actually getting out. Looked like a dodgy decision to me for sure. Counting it?

Yep, the selectors made the wrong call there

Uppercut · 08-07-2009, 05:33 AM

Haha, wrong thread. Damn your lightning-quick reactions dav

Craig · 08-07-2009, 05:36 AM

Richard · 08-07-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

So a case of poor form and injury in the last 12 months?

Pretty much. The former caused to no small extent by the latter IMO, and the latter caused to no small extent by fitness not quite up to the required standard IMO.

GIMH · 08-07-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Let's have one of these. Pretty much universally agreed that it was a mistake to select Hilfenhaus over Clark and MSP over Onions. So without any of this hindsight nonsense making obvious errors seem like they were the right decision, that's 2 errors made already, 1 from either side.

I didn't want Panesar in the team, but if the pitch turns like a bitch then it won't have been an error, at least not to pick two spinners. As I always say, sometimes you do have to get the full picture before you decide if something is correct.

That being said, I'd have picked Onions too.

Richard · 08-07-2009, 06:11 AM

In my opinion the fact that the pitch turns (which it may or may not) does not in the slightest justify MSP playing. Of late, he's wasted turning decks on several occasions. Not good enough for a spinner who used to be bankable on taking advantage of them.

A turning deck does not in itself guarantee success for a spinner. The spinner has to bowl well, and it's a long time since MSP did that. Last time in fact was Old Trafford second-innings 2008 - over a year ago now.

Johnners · 08-07-2009, 06:18 AM

Wouldn't necessarily mark Huffenpuff down as a selection error seeing as there were/have been reports Clark was struggling to be ready for the match.

Richard · 08-07-2009, 06:21 AM

If Clark is indeed below required fitness levels, then of course the decision to leave him out is eminently fair enough. Haven't yet read enough to suggest that to me yet though.

Onions, however, is unquestionably as fit as a bowler ever is.

BoyBrumby · 08-07-2009, 06:31 AM

Jesus. Could someone please explain to Dicko the difference between an error and a difference of opinion?

Any opinion, even a consensus of opinions, doesn't make anything a fact. Would I have selected Panesar? No. Does that make me right? Time will tell.

Hilfenhaus already looking a decent punt. Going at less than 2 RPO when the innings rate is over 3.5 and has taken a wicket. Again, not what I'd have done, but, heck, I'm prepared to concede my opinion isn't always right.

dontcloseyoureyes · 08-07-2009, 06:38 AM

This thread isn't going to be torn apart by opinions at all.

Top_Cat · 08-07-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

This thread is completely unnecessary.

Agreed.

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08-07-2009, 05:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Don't think anyone could've justified Sidebottom playing in this match. If he eventually picks-up his Championship form then he should at some point come back.

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Craig World Traveller Join Date: May 2003 Location: Super Happy Fun Sugar Lollipop Land! Posts: 34,131	So a case of poor form and injury in the last 12 months?

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08-07-2009, 06:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	In my opinion the fact that the pitch turns (which it may or may not) does not in the slightest justify MSP playing. Of late, he's wasted turning decks on several occasions. Not good enough for a spinner who used to be bankable on taking advantage of them. A turning deck does not in itself guarantee success for a spinner. The spinner has to bowl well, and it's a long time since MSP did that. Last time in fact was Old Trafford second-innings 2008 - over a year ago now.

08-07-2009, 06:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	If Clark is indeed below required fitness levels, then of course the decision to leave him out is eminently fair enough. Haven't yet read enough to suggest that to me yet though. Onions, however, is unquestionably as fit as a bowler ever is.

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