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    I think, and I hope I'm not grasping at straws here, is that Ponting didn't expect to get two more overs from that end in. I think he was worried about not getting another Hauritz over in if he gave one of the quicks the ball, but then not only did North get through his over in time, Hauritz also got through his, so they went around again.

    In that context, it looks a strange decision, but at the time I really think Ponting didn't think he'd get to have another over from that end.
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    Ah, so you reckon he thought if Hilfy got a bowl then Hauritz wouldn't?

    Makes sense, though at that point I perferred to see Hauritz bowling to Hilfy tbh, but yeah
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    Would Hilfy, with two left-handers playing no strokes at the crease and no movement, have really been particularly likely to take a wicket? Siddle found it impossible to attack the stumps to Monty and Jimmy, and Hilfenhaus probably would have done the same. Johnson was the ideal bowler for the situation, but he was bowling badly. Katich probably would have wasted too many deliveries, and regarding Clarke, Ponting wanted someone to take the ball away from the batsmen.

    North was the option he plumped for. We'll never know if any of the other bowlers would have done any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid View Post
    I haven't been listening to TMS today - there's no excuse for subjecting my kids to the x rated goings on at Cardiff - but I wonder if the CMJ & Blofeld are still convinced that the last ashes would have been anything other than 5.0 with Strauss in charge instead of Flintoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Would Hilfy, with two left-handers playing no strokes at the crease and no movement, have really been particularly likely to take a wicket? Siddle found it impossible to attack the stumps to Monty and Jimmy, and Hilfenhaus probably would have done the same. Johnson was the ideal bowler for the situation, but he was bowling badly. Katich probably would have wasted too many deliveries, and regarding Clarke, Ponting wanted someone to take the ball away from the batsmen.

    North was the option he plumped for. We'll never know if any of the other bowlers would have done any better.
    No, but then we could drop Bell for Pietersen for the next Test. When Bell scores 4 & 7, well, hey, we'll never know whether KP would have scored any more...

    I don't think he would have taken a wicket, but when I saw North holding the ball, I did a little dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    No, but then we could drop Bell for Pietersen for the next Test. When Bell scores 4 & 7, well, hey, we'll never know whether KP would have scored any more...

    I don't think he would have taken a wicket, but when I saw North holding the ball, I did a little dance.
    Yeah, ditto. It might be a truism, but tailenders generally hate pace and the best way to bowl them out is to attack the stumps. Hilfy had been by far the most accurate of the crim quicks. No guarantees, but as a captain I'd play the percentages in a clutch situation like that.

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    Have to say I'm a bit suprised Katich didn't get a chuck, iirc he had reasonable success against SA's tail in SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    No, but then we could drop Bell for Pietersen for the next Test. When Bell scores 4 & 7, well, hey, we'll never know whether KP would have scored any more...

    I don't think he would have taken a wicket, but when I saw North holding the ball, I did a little dance.
    Fair enough, I'd have probably went for Johnson personally. Hilfenhaus would have struggled to find an attacking line to Monty and Jimmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    And was then on at tea on day four singing all sorts of his praises. He truly is a master of changing his position in a millisecond, and seemingly more with Ponting's captaincy than almost any other subject.
    Yeah, it's so frustrating. Is it that hard to just criticise certain aspects of a captaincy, rather than pan it outright every time he does something that you don't agree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Have to say I'm a bit suprised Katich didn't get a chuck, iirc he had reasonable success against SA's tail in SA.
    He tends to get wickets with bad balls, because he gives it a big rip. Doesn't get many catches around the bat, needs someone to be attacking him. Not really the option for that situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Yeah, it's so frustrating. Is it that hard to just criticise certain aspects of a captaincy, rather than pan it outright every time he does something that you don't agree with?
    Yeah you get the feeling this is why Roebuck and Botham didn't get along at Somerset. Botham likes to paint himself as a straight shooter so the artfully dodgy Roebuck would have grated like nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    He tends to get wickets with bad balls, because he gives it a big rip. Doesn't get many catches around the bat, needs someone to be attacking him. Not really the option for that situation.
    The googly was a serious option to clean up the tail-end lefties though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    He tends to get wickets with bad balls, because he gives it a big rip. Doesn't get many catches around the bat, needs someone to be attacking him. Not really the option for that situation.
    Fair enough, I didn't see an awful lot of the series in South Africa, I'm only going off reading scorecards, hence why I thought the decision was a bit suprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    This was the thread I was looking for.

    Ponting captained fantastically for 4 days and 5 and and a half hours but feel he really missed a beat giving North a bowl at the end and probably over bowling Hauritz.

    Thought that Hilfenhaus had to be one of the bowlers bowling at the end of the match alongside probably Siddle. I would have preferred an erratic Johnson over North at the end too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaRick View Post
    If anything stymied Australia's ambitions, it was the inclement weather - not really Ponting's captaincy.
    Shades, in that, of Flintoff and Lord's 2006. Play lost to weather, and about 14,925 dropped catches in the match. Captain got the blame for not rotating his bowlers more, when the reality was that you can rotate as many bowlers as you want and if that many catches go down, you haven't a hope. The bowlers were actually doing a decent enough job, it was the fielders who failed. And that's clearly out of the captain's hands. As is the weather.

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