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    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Uppercut's Avatar
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    Bowler who has been distinctly average for four years takes six wickets in two innings in a warm-up game and people want a recall? It's not like he's even bowling anywhere near his best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    So GIMH and BB, what XIs would you choose for Cardiff?
    Me:

    Strauss*
    Cook
    Bopara
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Prior+
    Flintoff
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Onions


    First ten set in stone, IMHO. Can see any one of three (Sid, Monty, Harmy) replacing Onions tho.
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    I hear ya, Uppercut, I hear ya.




    And yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Me:

    Strauss*
    Cook
    Bopara
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Prior+
    Flintoff
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Onions


    First ten set in stone, IMHO. Can see any one of three (Sid, Monty, Harmy) replacing Onions tho.
    That's precisely the side I would pick and there's absolutely no justification IMO for the selection being any different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Bowler who has been distinctly average for four years takes six wickets in two innings in a warm-up game and people want a recall? It's not like he's even bowling anywhere near his best.
    But he got PACE and BOUNCE!

    And he DISMISSED Phil Hughes! TWICE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    If the Australians think Harmison is bowling well then he's bowling well - getting inside the oppositions minds is going to be crucial in this series - England just about have the psychological advantage now - we need to keep it
    The Australians apparently thought Harmison was bowling well in 2005 too - he still made sod-all contribution to the four matches England dominated.

    We've been here again and again with Harmison. He has never, ever been a Test-quality bowler. To expect that to change at the age of 30 is to ask one hell of a lot. Nothing is impossible. But that would be one of the longer shots in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    So GIMH and BB and Fred, what XIs would you choose for Cardiff?
    Strauss*
    Cook
    Bopara
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Prior+
    Flintoff
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Onions

    Would love to see Sidey in the team but honestly think Onions deserves it more
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    I hear ya, Uppercut, I hear ya.




    And yet...
    I do see where you're coming from. I sincerely don't expect him to do well though. Should be called into the squad so that Hughes and Ponting spend the next week worrying about how to combat Harmy, then not picked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    The Australians apparently thought Harmison was bowling well in 2005 too - he still made sod-all contribution to the four matches England dominated.

    We've been here again and again with Harmison. He has never, ever been a Test-quality bowler. To expect that to change at the age of 30 is to ask one hell of a lot. Nothing is impossible. But that would be one of the longer shots in history.

    Frustrating bowler Harmison but that's harsh Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    He has never, ever been a Test-quality bowler.

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    He hasn't made an irrefutable case for his selection, but he has bowled the best spell or rather best spells he's bowled since Adam was in short trousers. Quick, hostile, swung it and very few gimmes.

    I thought we'd drawn a line under his test career, but could be a handy man to have up our collective sleeve even if he doesn't make the XI for Cardiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Frustrating bowler Harmison but that's harsh Rich
    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    It really isn't. Harmison had 7 good Tests in early-2004; he has played 48 other Tests against Test-standard teams and averages 39.24. And this flatters him, hugely - any number of times he's had something like 1-90 and been gifted a couple of wickets at the end of the innings to finish with 3-114 or so. An average of 45-50 would be a more accurate reflection.

    People have lived for a long, long, long, long time hoping for Harmison to be something he isn't and never has been. Yes, he bowled damn decently this game, far better than normal, but he has done this occasionally before. He can never, ever make it long-term. It has damaged England's prospects so badly to be constantly hankering for Harmison to be something so many wrongly believe he can be.

    That's frustrating.
    Last edited by Richard; 03-07-2009 at 03:57 PM.

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    Come on Richard, you have to admit that he was Test class in 2004.

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    With Flintoff, Anderson, Broad and Swann I think we can afford to take a flyer on a bloke who has won matches in the past and looks like he might just be in the mood/form to do it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Frustrating bowler Harmison but that's harsh Rich
    Aside from his golden year of 2004, and against Bangladesh, Harmison has pretty much struggled to rise above the level of mediocrity for his entire Test career.

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