Flintoff disciplined: booze suspected

BoyBrumby · 01-07-2009, 08:43 AM

From The Guardian.

Don't think this has been mentioned elsewhere. Fred missed an 08.10 bus to take the players to the Flanders war graves after attending what his captain called "a team dinner the night before and alcohol wasn't banned." Hmm. Lengthening bevy rap sheet, our Freddie.

GIMH · 01-07-2009, 08:50 AM

Think social mentioned it in passing somewhere, but yeah, Freddie missed the bus, deary me. If he was rubbish we'd have well binned him by now!

pasag · 01-07-2009, 08:58 AM

Pity England aren't playing someone like Canada in the near future, could have banned him in a real show of force.

social · 01-07-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Pity England aren't playing someone like Canada in the near future, could have banned him in a real show of force.

Nope, that would risk another Netherlands-like result

It would have to be Canada under-9s before that happened

zaremba · 01-07-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Pity England aren't playing someone like Canada in the near future

Australia: Canada?s Antipodean Twin | rabble.ca

rivera213 · 01-07-2009, 11:29 AM

Flintoff is 1 step from being an alcoholic.

This is the type of crap Tony Adams used to do before he admited it to himself.

All this talk about it NOT being 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for everyone else is a joke. Had Bresnan done this, he'd have been dropped.

fredfertang · 01-07-2009, 11:39 AM

Why on earth is this internal stuff being released to the media?

scorpiogal · 01-07-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rivera213

Flintoff is 1 step from being an alcoholic.

And you know this how? Maybe he just missed the bus?

You don't make statements like that about someone's condition unless you a) know them personally and b)wait there is no 'b', cause there's no way you'd know that.

social · 01-07-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rivera213

Flintoff is 1 step from being an alcoholic.

This is the type of crap Tony Adams used to do before he admited it to himself.

All this talk about it NOT being 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for everyone else is a joke. Had Bresnan done this, he'd have been dropped.

One is good enough to make excuses for, the other is not good enough to make the team in the first place

BoyBrumby · 01-07-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fredfertang

Why on earth is this internal stuff being released to the media?

Flintoff having his card marked, I suppose. Might even be a deliberate attempt at a name amd shame in lieu of a proper intervention.

Doesn't seem to have worked apres pedalogate tho, so no reason to think it will now.

fredfertang · 01-07-2009, 12:14 PM

Hugely divisive in my view - by all means give him a bollocking but it's just playing into the Aussies hands to do it in public - why don't the ECB ever want to tell the press to foxtrot oscar these days

BoyBrumby · 01-07-2009, 12:22 PM

Agree it doesn't look too clever from the outside and I only know what I've read in yer meedja but there might be something of the last resort about it, perhaps?

The article alludes to Fred having some pop-related issues on the 06/07 tour and, unless my memory fails me, I can't recall them being publicised at the time, so they were presumably dealt with (or not dealt with) in-house. This latest incident could be (and I hope I'm wrong) a Symonds-esque straw breaking the camel's back.

Papers have been quite restrained, really. Given where he was supposed to be going the whole thing could easily be spun into a "Flintoff disrespects veterns" beat up.

GIMH · 01-07-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pasag

Pity England aren't playing someone like Canada in the near future, could have banned him in a real show of force.

Agree with fertang. All this sort of stuff does is pisses Freddie off. if he needs a bollocking so be it, but the name and shame failed miserably with him in the past.

rivera213 · 01-07-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpiogal

And you know this how? Maybe he just missed the bus?

You don't make statements like that about someone's condition unless you a) know them personally and b)wait there is no 'b', cause there's no way you'd know that.

He missed the bus because he got pissed and this isn't the first time he's done something of this ilk.

I don't know Tony Adams either but the behaviour is exactly the same.

Ditto for Symonds.

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Originally Posted by social

One is good enough to make excuses for, the other is not good enough to make the team in the first place

I was refering to Strauss' comments in his press conference, not my opinion.

Richard · 01-07-2009, 03:20 PM

Don't think anyone knows the matter intimately enough to comment on Flintoff's level of booze difficulty. I've come accross not a few who enjoy a drink a little too much without coming particularly close to alcoholism; I've also come accross a few who are indeed one step behind it.

Either way, he could do to loosen-up on the old boozing from time to time. But he's far from Jesse Ryder standard - very far.

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GIMH Eternal Optimist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Shake my tree where's the apple for me? Posts: 43,625	Think social mentioned it in passing somewhere, but yeah, Freddie missed the bus, deary me. If he was rubbish we'd have well binned him by now!

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,737	Why on earth is this internal stuff being released to the media?

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,737	Hugely divisive in my view - by all means give him a bollocking but it's just playing into the Aussies hands to do it in public - why don't the ECB ever want to tell the press to foxtrot oscar these days

01-07-2009, 12:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,646	Agree it doesn't look too clever from the outside and I only know what I've read in yer meedja but there might be something of the last resort about it, perhaps? The article alludes to Fred having some pop-related issues on the 06/07 tour and, unless my memory fails me, I can't recall them being publicised at the time, so they were presumably dealt with (or not dealt with) in-house. This latest incident could be (and I hope I'm wrong) a Symonds-esque straw breaking the camel's back. Papers have been quite restrained, really. Given where he was supposed to be going the whole thing could easily be spun into a "Flintoff disrespects veterns" beat up.

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