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    England 17-man squad

    So, England are naming a 17-man squad at the weekend. And then there is going to be a warm up as if we're on tour, a three day match against Warwickshire before the first test.

    I don't remember something like this ever happening before. What do people think of it as an idea?

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    It's a good idea given the way this summer has been fragmented by the T20. 17-man squad also tells us who is in contention, though most summers if they did that they'd only wind up picking someone from outside it soon enough anyway
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    Given England's performances at home compared to those away in recent times, I thought the last thing they'd want to do would be recreating the effects of a typical tour.

    Seriously though, I don't think the warmup is a bad idea as such - after so much Twenty20 for about half the team, they could probably use a proper game to get themselves readjusted. This is, of course, providing they use it as an actual warmup and not as a selection trial.

    I don't really see the point of a 17-man squad though, myself.
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    Yeah, that was kind of my thoughts. The warm-up is fine. But why have a 17-man squad? I don't see the point in taking a reserve batsman and a reserve keeper up there. Surely 13-man with a couple of spare bowlers is enough. Why start getting into things like who our reserve keeper is?


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    Just thought I'd have a go at who the 17 might be:

    Strauss
    Cook
    Bopara
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Bell
    Prior
    Ambrose/Davies/Foster/Read/Geraint Jones
    Flintoff
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Sidebottom
    Onions
    Rashid
    Panesar
    Bresnann

    I've probably missed out a quick bowler, can't think who though.

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    Harmison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Harmison?
    Yeah I think Harmison or possibly even Vaughan will be in the 17 ahead of either Panesar or Rashid.

    It should be Gary Pratt though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Harmison?
    Oops yeah, instead of Bresnan or Panesar, then. Though tbh, Harmison is just another reason not to have a 17-man squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Just thought I'd have a go at who the 17 might be:

    Strauss
    Cook
    Bopara
    Pietersen
    Collingwood
    Bell
    Prior
    Ambrose/Davies/Foster/Read/Geraint Jones
    Flintoff
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    Sidebottom
    Onions
    Rashid
    Panesar
    Bresnann

    I've probably missed out a quick bowler, can't think who though.
    I think its pretty safe Ambrose will be the second keeper if one is chosen. Given that Freddie's batting aint up to scratch ATM & if Prior or Freddie (most likely) to be injured during the Ashes again.

    If 6 pure bats then would have to play, Foster aint a test match number 7 & Davies aint ready for test as yet.

    No way should Jones & Read be even thought off either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Harmison?
    Unfortunately i can see it already. Harmo has a good season for Durham - Freddie misses the Oval test - Harmo plays, rocks AUS with pace & bounce, and is picked to tour SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Unfortunately i can see it already. Harmo has a good season for Durham - Freddie misses the Oval test - Harmo plays, rocks AUS with pace & bounce, and is picked to tour SA.
    Do we care if he rocks Australia first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    I think its pretty safe Ambrose will be the second keeper if one is chosen. Given that Freddie's batting aint up to scratch ATM & if Prior or Freddie (most likely) to be injured during the Ashes again.

    If 6 pure bats then would have to play, Foster aint a test match number 7 & Davies aint ready for test as yet.

    No way should Jones & Read be even thought off either.
    Would like to officially state that in no way was I advocating Geraint Jones for the test team. I was just pissing about.

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    Yeah last test XI plus Flintoff, Panesar & Rashid, Bell, Ambrose/Foster & Sidebottom. Hopefully they won't go back to Harmison.
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    17-man squad for a home series - WTF?

    Certainly hasn't ever happened before in my memory, and presumably ever. Completely pointless gesture, unless they're thinking about trying to dissuade anyone from signing for some random venture or other.

    At home you pick Test by Test, simple as that.

    I don't, thus, care much about who's in the 17, but yeah, it's safe to say Geraint Jones will and should never play for England again bar about 7 or 8 wicketkeepers being injured. Read, well, he should never play Tests again, though it seems with the ICL gone his international days are no longer certified over for good.
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    Seems a bit pointless to me. Would've thought this was what the central and incremental contracts covered.

    No upside I can see. Only stands to dishearten those players who aren't named. Think Dav's list is pretty close, although really can't see Foster coming into contention with his batting unless we play six specialist batsmen and Flintoff.

    &, not advocating a recall for either, but Geraint has a couple of FC tons this year & Harmy's in the wickets once more...
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