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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    If he plays, and they then pick Lee over Clark, I'll catch the next plane over and nut some bastard.
    You should have done that, the very moment Hauritz was picked as the lone spinner in the Ashes squad, despite the selectors knowing that spin could play a key role in this series, given the nature of pitches England are likely to prepare.

    Anyways, once they have decided that Hauritz is the best spinner available to play in test cricket (which is something, I don't agree with), then atleast they should back their own initial decision, and play him in conditions where spinners might get assistance.

    If they aren't even going to play their spinner in spin friendly conditions, then what's the point of bringing him all the way over to England, why not just an extra quick or batsman in his place.

    They did the same thing in India, where on docile tracks they kept persisting with an all-pace attack until the last test, and I am pretty sure they are gonna do the same thing in this series too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    You should have done that, the very moment Hauritz was picked as the lone spinner in the Ashes squad, despite the selectors knowing that spin could play a key role in this series, given the nature of pitches England are likely to prepare.

    Anyways, once they have decided that Hauritz is the best spinner available to play in test cricket (which is something, I don't agree with), then atleast they should back their own initial decision, and play him in conditions where spinners might get assistance.

    If they aren't even going to play their spinner in spin friendly conditions, then what's the point of bringing him all the way over to England, why not just an extra quick or batsman in his place.

    They did the same thing in India, where on docile tracks they kept persisting with an all-pace attack until the last test, and I am pretty sure they are gonna do the same thing in this series too.
    So then what needs to happen? Because at the moment there's no spinner in the country with the ability to cut it at international level, yet a 4 man pace attack will not prosper. We really are stuck in a rut then, all roads lead to doom.

    There's probably only one option, and that's to include bowler who can utilise swing or reverse swing really well, of course we don't have one of those, only Hilfenhaus is close.
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    Hauritz hasn't let anyone down at international level yet, give him the 1st test at least.

    Seriously think we should consider Bracken's mediums/cutters if he bombs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inbox24 View Post
    So then what needs to happen? Because at the moment there's no spinner in the country with the ability to cut it at international level, yet a 4 man pace attack will not prosper. We really are stuck in a rut then, all roads lead to doom.

    There's probably only one option, and that's to include bowler who can utilise swing or reverse swing really well, of course we don't have one of those, only Hilfenhaus is close.
    Why not take either McGain or Krezja instead of Hauritz to England, atleast they would have got some turn of the deck, the way that Australian selectors have handled country' spin bowlers after Warne's retirement is absolutely disgraceful.

    They have tried every damn spinner in Australia over the last two years, but the game of musical chairs just doesn't seem to stop, McGain who was touted as the best spinner in Australia, went off the radar just after one shocking test, Krezja, Casson, White were also dealt with in the same way.

    I mean, if they are looking for some spinner to come in and emulate Warne's performances over the years, then they can just dream on, because that ain't happening any time soon.

    But if they are serious about developing a few serviceable spin options for future (which is pretty vital), then they need to show some faith in their spin bowlers, rather than thrust them into an insecure environment, where they find a sword hanging over their heads at all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    North's bowling record may be better, but it's a hell of a lot easier coming on and bowling 4 or 5 overs maybe twice a day than being the leading spin bowler in a side.
    Don't know if it is much easier to grab poles, considering you only ever bowl when plans A, B, C and D are all failing. Certainly casts doubts on whether he can be a front-line spinner for Oz if he's never done it in any other cricket though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    If he plays, and they then pick Lee over Clark, I'll catch the next plane over and nut some bastard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    If he plays, and they then pick Lee over Clark, I'll catch the next plane over and nut some bastard.
    No need to mints your words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inbox24 View Post
    a 4 man pace attack will not prosper.
    Why on Earth not? If you have four quality seamers, of course it will.

    Equally, if you have four seamers who are all better than any spinner, you're always better-off picking four seamers than three seamers and one spinner.

    That Australia are even remotely countenancing picking Hauritz for Tests - or ever have - simply beggars belief. For a specialist (ie, one with no remarkable batting ability), he is one of the most nothing bowlers you could wish to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post

    That Australia are even remotely countenancing picking Hauritz for Tests - or ever have - simply beggars belief. For a specialist (ie, one with no remarkable batting ability), he is one of the most nothing bowlers you could wish to see.
    So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

    Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

    People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

    Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

    People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.

    Can't see Hauritz doing anything North can't, in all honesty. Including him means a better bowler (in all likelihood Clark after Lee's masterclass in reverse yesterday) misses out. Clark looks far more likely to be able to slow scoring down too, which seemed to be Hauritz's main brief today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Why on Earth not? If you have four quality seamers, of course it will.

    Equally, if you have four seamers who are all better than any spinner, you're always better-off picking four seamers than three seamers and one spinner.

    That Australia are even remotely countenancing picking Hauritz for Tests - or ever have - simply beggars belief. For a specialist (ie, one with no remarkable batting ability), he is one of the most nothing bowlers you could wish to see.
    Well because some people say that if 3 can't do the job then.... etc etc. But if you have different types of bowlers then it should make a difference. Hauritz is definitely not international quality at all, but in the end it's the selectors fault. In early 2007 after the great retirement, even the thought of guys like Krejza, Hauritz, McDonald, Casson, North etc playing for Australia would have been a joke. But now we've come to accept it like second nature. Arguing between whether to play Hauritz or McDonald is a joke, it's like asking someone if they'd rather be drowned or burnt in a fire. Even with the mass exodus of players these guys are not international quality and there are better options. But time and time again, this spin and all rounder obsession has cost us series, ala India and SA at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

    Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

    People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.
    His test record is good largely because of this match five years ago. Hauritz did not play well in that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    So 14 wickets @ 31 is indicative of that, is it?

    Hauritz, in Tests and ODIs, has a good record.

    People ought look at that rather than making over the top, dramatic observations.
    HJ, of course he has deserved consideration, but based on what we've seen thus far, I don't think he's doing enough atm to warrant selection ahead of the 4 quicks. He may re-write that with something pretty good int eh second innings though.

    Personally, I'd run with the 4 quicks atm, but of course I'd like to see him take some wickets. The more blokes we have doing that the better.

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