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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian87 View Post
    Johnson's batting has been great but Warne was orsm with the bat in the 05 Ashes.
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    Okay, now we now almost certainly know what, barring injuries, the England line-up will be and can make a decent stab at the Australian side, lets have a look at how the sides compare to the sides in 2005 as they entered the series (ie without taking in to account the performances in the series)
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    Quote Originally Posted by four_or_six View Post
    Would like to add fielding into the mix:

    England:
    Keeper - Jones better than Prior (2005 wins)
    Slips - We miss Trescothick in there, but Strauss has done reasonably well and Flintoff is as reliable as ever. (2005 just wins)
    Outfielding - KP was hopeless in 2005, Vaughan has always been pretty terrible. We have added in Collingwood and Anderson who are now our two best fielders. (2009 wins)

    Australia:
    Keeper - Haddin inexperienced over here, Gilchrist was always very good. (2005 wins)
    Slips - replaced Warne and Hayden with all sorts of players since, they can't match up. (2005 wins easily)
    Outfielding - depends on whether Symonds plays. Hussey is also an excellent addition. Ponting and Clarke were good before. (2009 just wins)
    England have always dropped loads of catches against Australia in my time (2006/07 was something close to an exception there) and both teams dropped heaps in 2002/03 and 2005 (Australia's fielding in general was pretty poor against all teams between those two series').

    I'd still back plenty of chances to go down from both sides this series, but as many as went down in 2005 seems inconceivable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee999 View Post
    Prior is much better than Geraint
    Not as a wicketkeeper he isn't. Jones wasn't very good at that point (he was by the 2005/06 winter) but he was still better than Prior is currently (and always has been).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    I think Australia's attack is potentially more intimidating this time around, 3 150k bowlers, plus a metronome in Clark. Pending on the fitness & form of Lee & Clark over the next 18 months, this could be the most lethal 4-prong pace attack since the Windies heydays...
    You serious? Presume you're talking Johnson, Lee, Siddle and Clark? Even assuming that the unlikely happens and they're all fit and firing, that's a massive call. To call an attack that doesn't have McGrath or Warne in it more intimidating is confusing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    You serious? Presume you're talking Johnson, Lee, Siddle and Clark? Even assuming that the unlikely happens and they're all fit and firing, that's a massive call. To call an attack that doesn't have McGrath or Warne in it more intimidating is confusing to me.
    Physical intimaidation. Rather than the technical (McGrath) & mental (Warne) intimidation, those two legends exuded.

    But of course that doesn't mean that potential 4-prong will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Not as a wicketkeeper he isn't. Jones wasn't very good at that point (he was by the 2005/06 winter) but he was still better than Prior is currently (and always has been).
    I dont know anything about that. Jones was fairly solid with the gloves from WI 04 to SA 04/05, but was never seen as a supreme glovesman. But then as the Ashes began he went downhill.

    Both Prior & Jones are equal in glovework.

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    Yeah but the thread asks about the reputation going into the series. TBF Jones had loads of critics but I do think Prior is regarded as a worse keeper now than Jones was this time four years ago - Prior is clearly good enough to play as a specialist bat though. Give Colly the gloves
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    I dont know anything about that. Jones was fairly solid with the gloves from WI 04 to SA 04/05, but was never seen as a supreme glovesman. But then as the Ashes began he went downhill.

    Both Prior & Jones are equal in glovework.
    Jones was always moderate to poor with the gloves from the home series against WI (he started OK) to the 2005 Ashes. He got much better in 2005/06 after long hard work with Jack Russell and by the end of his career was very competent.

    Prior on the other hand has simply been roundly poor. He's had some games where he's not made any crucial mistakes, but there's always been an error just around the corner. And Alec Stewart's worked every bit as hard on him as Russell did on Jones and it's made precious little difference. No amount of hard work seems to be able to turn Prior from poor to decent; it did for Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Jones was always moderate to poor with the gloves from the home series against WI (he started OK) to the 2005 Ashes. He got much better in 2005/06 after long hard work with Jack Russell and by the end of his career was very competent.
    I can't remember any major blunder from WI 04 to Bang 05 really. A few fumbles i guess - if he feel free to remind me.

    I don't think he was that fantastic from PAK 05/06 to the end of his career. He just got back to his post 05 Ashes level.

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    Prior on the other hand has simply been roundly poor. He's had some games where he's not made any crucial mistakes, but there's always been an error just around the corner. And Alec Stewart's worked every bit as hard on him as Russell did on Jones and it's made precious little difference. No amount of hard work seems to be able to turn Prior from poor to decent; it did for Jones.
    Haaaaa. Prior was poor from WI 07 to SRI 07 yea, missing some big catches. But since he came back his technique although still suspect, he hasn't missed anything. Its pretty much on par with Jones, so i don't know how you can say Prior has been roundly poor - but so how manage to hype Jones.

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    Jones was/is definitely a better wicket keeper than Prior IMO. He was never a great gloveman or even what I'd call a "good" gloveman by Test standards - the fact that he was a batsman/wicket-keeper rather than a wicket-keeper/batsman and still only averaged 23 in Tests with the bat says it all - but he was certainly better than Prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    I can't remember any major blunder from WI 04 to Bang 05 really. A few fumbles i guess - if he feel free to remind me.

    I don't think he was that fantastic from PAK 05/06 to the end of his career. He just got back to his post 05 Ashes level.
    He was far better from the series in Pakistan onwards than he'd ever been before. I can't recall any specific fumbles and drops from 2004 or 2004/05 - mainly because there were so many that they didn't become specific.
    Haaaaa. Prior was poor from WI 07 to SRI 07 yea, missing some big catches. But since he came back his technique although still suspect, he hasn't missed anything.
    Except in that one game at Queen's Park Oval, where he missed about half the stuff that came his way. He hasn't missed any big catches - yet - but he's still fumbled all sorts of simple takes and is certain to miss a big chance somewhere along the way, possibly pretty soon, if he plays for long enough.
    Its pretty much on par with Jones, so i don't know how you can say Prior has been roundly poor - but so how manage to hype Jones.
    I'm not "hyping" Jones, merely saying that he was better than Prior (and far better from 2005/06 onwards).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Except in that one game at Queen's Park Oval, where he missed about half the stuff that came his way. He hasn't missed any big catches - yet - but he's still fumbled all sorts of simple takes and is certain to miss a big chance somewhere along the way, possibly pretty soon, if he plays for long enough.


    Mainly due to Amjad Khan, plus Ramdin had a difficult time also. Plus no i don't remember him fumbling a great deal either since his return - expect for missing a straight delivery the other day in the 2nd test test and maybe missing a few leg-side takes, which shows as a technitian he is still average.

    But Prior has clearly improved from a very poor 2007 summer & winter.

    Note: I'm up for Prior playing as a batsman & Foster keeping in the Ashes though..



    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I'm not "hyping" Jones, merely saying that he was better than Prior (and far better from 2005/06 onwards).
    Slightly better, but overall their glovework is pretty evenl.

    Jones was decent in PAK & IND (excelling in the Mumbai miracle) & was clearly improved down under 06/07. But as i said before it was on the pre 05 Ashes level.

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    With geraint it seemed that he only had a certain allowance, as his keeping got better he became incapable with the bat

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    His batting only went from poor to diabolical though.

    Geraint essentially started well with bat and gloves (first 4 games), became poor with gloves and poor with bat (WI '04 to Aus '05), then diabolical with bat and pretty decent with gloves (Pak '05/06 to Aus '06/07).

    As I've said a good few times though, Geraint as a batsman was never that good - he just happened to have his only good season just when Alec Stewart was about to retire, which was fortunate timing and no more. Or maybe unfortunate, because Geraint's Test career caused a good deal of heartache to a good deal of people, and if he'd never played at all it might've been so much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Mainly due to Amjad Khan, plus Ramdin had a difficult time also. Plus no i don't remember him fumbling a great deal either since his return - expect for missing a straight delivery the other day in the 2nd test test and maybe missing a few leg-side takes, which shows as a technitian he is still average.

    But Prior has clearly improved from a very poor 2007 summer & winter.
    I don't think he has, he's exactly the same now as then. He generally looks poor but does OK in 4-5 games then has 1 rank shocker where he misses about as much as he takes (these have so far numbered The Oval 2007, SSC 2007/08 and QPO 2009). I'd imagine he's due another sometime in The Ashes and it fills me with dread.

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