I'd still back plenty of chances to go down from both sides this series, but as many as went down in 2005 seems inconceivable.
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Yeah but the thread asks about the reputation going into the series. TBF Jones had loads of critics but I do think Prior is regarded as a worse keeper now than Jones was this time four years ago - Prior is clearly good enough to play as a specialist bat though. Give Colly the gloves
Prior on the other hand has simply been roundly poor. He's had some games where he's not made any crucial mistakes, but there's always been an error just around the corner. And Alec Stewart's worked every bit as hard on him as Russell did on Jones and it's made precious little difference. No amount of hard work seems to be able to turn Prior from poor to decent; it did for Jones.
I don't think he was that fantastic from PAK 05/06 to the end of his career. He just got back to his post 05 Ashes level.
Jones was/is definitely a better wicket keeper than Prior IMO. He was never a great gloveman or even what I'd call a "good" gloveman by Test standards - the fact that he was a batsman/wicket-keeper rather than a wicket-keeper/batsman and still only averaged 23 in Tests with the bat says it all - but he was certainly better than Prior.
Except in that one game at Queen's Park Oval, where he missed about half the stuff that came his way. He hasn't missed any big catches - yet - but he's still fumbled all sorts of simple takes and is certain to miss a big chance somewhere along the way, possibly pretty soon, if he plays for long enough.Haaaaa. Prior was poor from WI 07 to SRI 07 yea, missing some big catches. But since he came back his technique although still suspect, he hasn't missed anything.
I'm not "hyping" Jones, merely saying that he was better than Prior (and far better from 2005/06 onwards).Its pretty much on par with Jones, so i don't know how you can say Prior has been roundly poor - but so how manage to hype Jones.
Mainly due to Amjad Khan, plus Ramdin had a difficult time also. Plus no i don't remember him fumbling a great deal either since his return - expect for missing a straight delivery the other day in the 2nd test test and maybe missing a few leg-side takes, which shows as a technitian he is still average.
But Prior has clearly improved from a very poor 2007 summer & winter.
Note: I'm up for Prior playing as a batsman & Foster keeping in the Ashes though..
Jones was decent in PAK & IND (excelling in the Mumbai miracle) & was clearly improved down under 06/07. But as i said before it was on the pre 05 Ashes level.
With geraint it seemed that he only had a certain allowance, as his keeping got better he became incapable with the bat
His batting only went from poor to diabolical though.
Geraint essentially started well with bat and gloves (first 4 games), became poor with gloves and poor with bat (WI '04 to Aus '05), then diabolical with bat and pretty decent with gloves (Pak '05/06 to Aus '06/07).
As I've said a good few times though, Geraint as a batsman was never that good - he just happened to have his only good season just when Alec Stewart was about to retire, which was fortunate timing and no more. Or maybe unfortunate, because Geraint's Test career caused a good deal of heartache to a good deal of people, and if he'd never played at all it might've been so much better.
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