View Poll Results: Should Brett Lee be picked for the Ashes, and if so, who misses out?

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  • Yes - McDonald misses out

    17 23.94%
  • Yes - Bollinger misses out

    16 22.54%
  • Yes - Johnson misses out

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  • Yes - Siddle misses out

    0 0%
  • Yes - Hilfenhaus misses out

    15 21.13%
  • Doesn't matter, Murray Mints FTW

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    "We"? No-one does.

    BTW, Michael Hussey should totally open in this Ashes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    I didn't think he bowled badly against SA itbt. Some spells were excellent but unrewarding, some were admittedly poor. But he's better than Hilfenhaus for sure. Hilfenhaus's decent bowling is bound to be overrated now because it was part of a great Australian victory. All things considered, Lee's the better bowler.
    Don't agree with this, I think for a guy a playing in his first test series, that too away from home, Hilfenhaus bowled pretty well, bowled with very good accuracy and bowled tirelessly without offering any freebies.

    He might not have too many wickets to show for that, but he has bowled a lot better than what his figures suggest.

    Anyways, I really like Lee, but I don't think he should just straight away walk into the team, he has no FC cricket before the Ashes to prove his fitness and form (unless he plays county cricket), and he shouldn't just be picked on the basis of what he does in the IPL or T20 world championship.

    Another thing to consider is, Lee has never enjoyed bowling in English conditions, I guess he bowled as well as he could the last time he played there, but still he ended up with pretty unflattering figures, so expecting any better from him, especially when he is going to enter the series with next to no decent match practice is streching a bit too far, though, I am pretty sure Lee would play in the Ashes despite all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pup11 View Post
    Don't agree with this, I think for a guy a playing in his first test series, that too away from home, Hilfenhaus bowled pretty well, bowled with very good accuracy and bowled tirelessly without offering any freebies.

    He might not have too many wickets to show for that, but he has bowled a lot better than what his figures suggest.

    Anyways, I really like Lee, but I don't think he should just straight away walk into the team, he has no FC cricket before the Ashes to prove his fitness and form (unless he plays county cricket), and he shouldn't just be picked on the basis of what he does in the IPL or T20 world championship.

    Another thing to consider is, Lee has never enjoyed bowling in English conditions, I guess he bowled as well as he could the last time he played there, but still he ended up with pretty unflattering figures, so expecting any better from him, especially when he is going to enter the series with next to no decent match practice is streching a bit too far, though, I am pretty sure Lee would play in the Ashes despite all this.
    Hilfy bowled too short here, that's why he hasn't got the wickets to show. Lee wasn't half the bowler in 2005 that he's been since, i think he could be fantastic for Australia in England.

    The nostalgia for '05 in me really wants him to play too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Lee wasn't half the bowler in 2005 that he's been since
    Lee was far better in '05 than he was in '08/09.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Lee was far better in '05 than he was in '08/09.
    I'd back him to get his form back.

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    Would you? I'm not sure I would.

    Nor would I back against it, that is, before anyone starts there. But I think if you expect him to return to his 2007/08 glory bowling you could very easily be disappointed.

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    Well he doesn't have to go back to being the best fast bowler in the world to be a better option than Hilfenhaus.

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    Yeah, Lee and Clark in for Hilfenhaus and McDonald. You don't go from arguably the best fast bowler in the world to not even being Test standard after one poor away series while you're sick in a country you've never toured before on pitches that don't suit you against some of the best batsmen in the world.

    If Lee's fit, he's definitely one of our best four bowlers. Same goes for Clark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Well he doesn't have to go back to being the best fast bowler in the world to be a better option than Hilfenhaus.
    Certainly doesn't. But neither of the 2005 version or the 2008/09 version would be enormously preferable, from an Australian POV.

    And as I've said before, with Lee there isn't often much in-between stuff. He's almost always either magnificent or dreadful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah, Lee and Clark in for Hilfenhaus and McDonald. You don't go from arguably the best fast bowler in the world to not even being Test standard after one poor away series while you're sick in a country you've never toured before on pitches that don't suit you against some of the best batsmen in the world.

    If Lee's fit, he's definitely one of our best four bowlers. Same goes for Clark.
    Aye, Lee didn't even bowl too badly after the India tour. It seems like forever ago, but he took nine wickets only two matches back. His spell in NZ's second innings was as good as he's ever been.

    Since then, he's had two matches against SA. The first, in Perth, he bowled two good but largely unrewarded spells and a few poor spells. The second, he bowled one poor spell then got injured. It's hardly enough to turn him from "best seamer in the world" to "worse than Ben Hilfenhaus".

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    lee was never and never will be the best seamer in the world

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    There was never any concrete, clear-cut case that he was, no, but plenty on here were proclaiming he was so this time last year, and not many were arguing.

    Myself I can't see how anyone could be said to have been better in the 7 months between November 2007 and June 2008, but that's clearly a very short period. And there were others who had some amount of case for being as good, at least, though not better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
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    Bollinger first drop.
    Would have Hilfenhaus over Bollinger ATS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Well he doesn't have to go back to being the best fast bowler in the world to be a better option than Hilfenhaus.
    Hilfenhaus is an extremely promising bowler, imo, he has been quite unlucky and is a tad raw but I back him highly as a future Test prospect. Whether he can mature rapidly in Test cricket is one to be seen, but the mere fact that I consider such a possibility means I don't think he is far away from truly being worthy of opening for Australia on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rant0r View Post
    lee was never and never will be the best seamer in the world
    Well who would you rate better when he tore apart Sri Lanka and India during the 2007/08 series after returning from an injury? I think he was the best fast bowler during that period, taking 40 wickets @ 20.57. Steyn has a bloody good record during that time as well, 78 wickets @ 16.24.

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