Cricket Betting Site Betway

View Poll Results: Should Brett Lee be picked for the Ashes, and if so, who misses out?

Voters
71. You may not vote on this poll
  • No

    15 21.13%
  • Yes - McDonald misses out

    17 23.94%
  • Yes - Bollinger misses out

    16 22.54%
  • Yes - Johnson misses out

    0 0%
  • Yes - Siddle misses out

    0 0%
  • Yes - Hilfenhaus misses out

    15 21.13%
  • Doesn't matter, Murray Mints FTW

    8 11.27%
Page 12 of 49 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast
Results 166 to 180 of 729

Thread: Should Brett Lee be selected for the Ashes?

  1. #166
    Cricketer Of The Year four_or_six's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    9,205
    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    Lol.

  2. #167
    International 12th Man Rant0r's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Country West Australia
    Posts
    1,534
    i don't think mcdonald will play ahead of a fit clark or lee.

    he would do well over there though

  3. #168
    International Regular Josh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    3,903
    Should go; don't think he'd walk back into the team tho. However Hilfenhaus didn't show much this tour apart from maybe the first test, so he could be relegated to 12th man. Also got that guy, what's his name - Clark??

  4. #169
    State Vice-Captain DaRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    1,157
    No - at least not in the first XI. Maybe as a 'wildcard' or as a backup, in place of Bollinger (whose FC record in England is poor).

    Why?

    - He averages 45+ in England
    - His arrogance about the whole thing: using the IPL to prepare
    - Will he have enough time to get into form over the warm-up matches? I doubt it.
    - The Test team has done far better without him
    - He wasn't in stellar form upon leaving the Test team, for various reasons

    Picking him would be dangerously akin to using 'Carl Hooper logic' - i.e - form is temporary, class is permanent. You pick the players who are proven to be fit and firing, not based on performances made over a year ago, with nothing to show for it since.


  5. #170
    State Vice-Captain DaRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    1,157
    Well, he's talking up his chances again.

    Hey Brett, the new-ball isn't a god-given right.

  6. #171
    Hall of Fame Member aussie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Fine Leg/Technical Area
    Posts
    17,446
    Quote Originally Posted by DaRick View Post
    Well, he's talking up his chances again.

    Hey Brett, the new-ball isn't a god-given right.
    Well if form is the main judgement & pass performances are disregarded to an extent. Australia only have Johnson & Siddle that are clear wicket-taking options.

    Since Lee & Clark have to overcome injury woes. Given how Lee has bowled in the last 2 T20s, his pace is back. So once he gets more over under his belt in the IPL & T20 WC, he should start the first test.

    Stuart Clark's position is under threat.

  7. #172
    State Vice-Captain DaRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    1,157
    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Well if form is the main judgement & pass performances are disregarded to an extent. Australia only have Johnson & Siddle that are clear wicket-taking options.

    Since Lee & Clark have to overcome injury woes. Given how Lee has bowled in the last 2 T20s, his pace is back. So once he gets more over under his belt in the IPL & T20 WC, he should start the first test.

    Stuart Clark's position is under threat.
    Nope. Sorry, I don't agree with that.

    IPL and T20's are not appropriate preperation for an Ashes series. If Brett is so arrogant and stupid as to believe that they are, then frankly he doesn't deserve a spot.

    Plus, he averages over 45 in England.

    I would pick Stuart Clark over Lee in an instant when touring England.

  8. #173
    Hall of Fame Member age_master's Avatar
    Plasmanaut on Fire Champion!
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Sydney, NSW, Australia
    Posts
    15,777
    Form in T20 will get him into the squad. I assume that there will be a warmup game or 2 on the tour for him to show that he can bowl longer spells.

    Assuming that 1 spinner plays, i think that Clark and Siddle are fighting for the one spot with Bollinger/Hilfy and Lee the other.
    Member of CW Green
    Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator

  9. #174
    RTDAS pasag's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Looking for milksteak
    Posts
    31,678
    Quote Originally Posted by age_master View Post
    Form in T20 will get him into the squad. I assume that there will be a warmup game or 2 on the tour for him to show that he can bowl longer spells.

    Assuming that 1 spinner plays, i think that Clark and Siddle are fighting for the one spot with Bollinger/Hilfy and Lee the other.
    Mate, Siddle is first name down on the bowling list after Johnson for the Ashes. Saying he's fighting for a spot with Clark is akin to saying Hughes is fighting for a spot with Jaques, he's not.
    Rest In Peace Craigos
    2003-2012

  10. #175
    Request Your Custom Title Now! NUFAN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Marrickville
    Posts
    25,102
    Yeah agree with Pasag.

    Re: Lee he'll make the squad for sure barring injury.

    I actually think he's up against Andrew McDonald as the fourth seamer, handy batter position.

    The funny thing is I think Lee would probably show more fight and bat better then McDonald but I reckon McDonald could bowl well in these English conditions and restrict the English batters, while with Lee it's always hard to be confident that he wont get smacked around, this in spite of McDonald being more known for his batting and Lee for his bowling.

  11. #176
    Englishman BoyBrumby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Gone too soon
    Posts
    47,184
    I'd take him and I say that in a "which squad I think will give Australia the best chance of retaining the urn" way, not as a Pom.

    Yes, his average doesn't look too impressive when viewed in isolation, but it seems to have now been spun into the idea that he didn't bowl well in 2005 at all, when the fact is that he prodcued some blistering spells. He knocked over Geraint in the first innings of the first test when KP and him were slowly hauling us back into the game, he produced two jaffas to dismiss Fred & KP in the 4th innings at Trent Bridge and very nearly break English hearts when we were cruising(ish) at 100-odd for 4 and it was his delivery that induced the edge that Warne shelled off KP on the final day at The Oval.

    I think one has to consider the role he was being asked to perform in that series too. Oz had the redoutable McGrath to keep things tight, Lee was the strike weapon to nick a few wickets and not worry so much about the runs. The truth of this became more evident with the way his MO changed after the great man chuntered off to the IPL.

    He's had fitness and personal issues in the last year or so and, at his age, they might well have hastened a permanent decline, but is Bollinger or Hilfenhaus really likely to be more of a threat this summer? Not IMHO.
    Cricket Web's current Premier League Tipping Champion

    - As featured in The Independent.

    "Ben Stokes, that most unlikely saint, worked the second of the two miracles he needs for his canonisation." - The Guardian's Andy Bell on the England all-rounder's Headingley ton

  12. #177
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    I'd take him and I say that in a "which squad I think will give Australia the best chance of retaining the urn" way, not as a Pom.

    Yes, his average doesn't look too impressive when viewed in isolation, but it seems to have now been spun into the idea that he didn't bowl well in 2005 at all, when the fact is that he prodcued some blistering spells.
    Yes, he did - and a lot of nothing ones as well.

    Lee bowled OK-ish in the Lord's Test on one of the best pitches he's ever had to bowl on in his career; bowled well on the opening morning at Old Trafford; and decently in his second spell in the fourth-innings at Trent Bridge. That, however, was it. The rest of the time he was his usual poor self.
    RD
    Appreciating cricket's greatest legend ever - HD Bird...............Funniest post (intentionally) ever.....Runner-up.....Third.....Fourth
    (Accidental) founder of Twenty20 Is Boring Society. Click and post to sign-up.
    chris.hinton: h
    FRAZ: Arshad's are a long gone stories
    RIP Fardin Qayyumi (AKA "cricket player"; "Bob"), 1/11/1990-15/4/2006

  13. #178
    Englishman BoyBrumby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Gone too soon
    Posts
    47,184
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Yes, he did - and a lot of nothing ones as well.

    Lee bowled OK-ish in the Lord's Test on one of the best pitches he's ever had to bowl on in his career; bowled well on the opening morning at Old Trafford; and decently in his second spell in the fourth-innings at Trent Bridge. That, however, was it. The rest of the time he was his usual poor self.
    In your opinion.

    Not really germane to the topic at hand in any case tho; would you select him, yes or no? If the latter who would you take instead and why?

  14. #179
    Cricket Web Staff Member Richard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    2005
    Posts
    80,401
    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    In your opinion.
    No more than the previous post (which you put accross as "in fact") was yours, TBH.
    Not really germane to the topic at hand in any case tho; would you select him, yes or no? If the latter who would you take instead and why?
    Well no it's not, but not all replies are 100% related to the title of the thread. Would I pick him in the squad? Of course I would. Would I, right now, have him down as one of the four bowlers to start the First Test? Not a chance. With the exception of Johnson, the Australian bowlers all start the tour on an even footing (maybe with Siddle slightly ahead of everyone else) and it's simply a case of whose performances are best in what few tour-games there are. If Lee is up with, then he plays; if there are three who do better, he doesn't.

    I do think it's likely Lee will play the opening Test because he should be good enough to force his way in, but there's no way he has any credit in the bank right now. His bowling in 2008/09, with the exception of a single game, was exceedingly poor.

  15. #180
    Cricketer Of The Year four_or_six's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    9,205
    I don't see how anyone can argue that Lee shouldn't go and at the same time say that Siddle is a cert. Lee has a huge amount of experience, has been a very successful bowler, and will have at least some bowling in the IPL to allow the selectors to guage his fitness after his injury. Siddle is an excellent young bowler and has bowled well this last year in tests, but he will have had no bowling at all to prove his fitness after his injury, and he's more injury prone than Lee in the first place.

    I think take both of them, but I don't see such a huge difference between the pair. The warm-up matches are going to be important to see who actually plays the first test.

Page 12 of 49 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast


Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Ashes tickets
    By Howzatone in forum Ashes 2009
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 03-03-2009, 12:24 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •