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    So they should play [in my opinion] lesser bowlers [especially Plunkett] so they can bat to #10.

    Sorry but it doesn't work for New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes
    So they should play [in my opinion] lesser bowlers [especially Plunkett] so they can bat to #10.

    Sorry but it doesn't work for New Zealand.
    I don't think NZ is a good example, there bowler can't bat, can't bowl either, there is a difference. Plunkett nothing special, but his ok. You can afford to have one bowler in your side that is there for his extra batting as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    You can afford to have one bowler in your side that is there for his extra batting as well.
    And that man is Andrew Flintoff.

    Look, if you've got 4 test class bowlers and a spinner [whoever it may be - not Blackwell]. especially of the class of the England pace attack, you shouldn't be worrying about having bowlers that can bat [and lets face it, Plunkett isn't going to score that many runs] You SHOULD be bowling sides out for less than 340, and even if they don't, they've got a good enough batting lineup to back that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthodox
    From 6/300, the alternatives...

    * 10/340
    * 10/420

    Hmm.
    So Ashley Giles and and Liam Plunkett will add 80 runs each time they bat? Give me a break.

    There's no need to not play your best bowlers because they can't contribute a large share with the bat. They're there to bowl. And they do it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    Has Monty impressed you all that much that he has jumped ahead of Giles?
    'You all' was two posters (both Aussie, but this time they might well be right )

    The rest of the thread is from 2003.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre
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    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

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    Australia:
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    Watson/Martyn
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    Lee
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    Bracken/Tait/MacGill (possibly Clark, but I'm not so sure)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    Has Monty impressed you all that much that he has jumped ahead of Giles?
    Apparently so.

    Of course had he made his debut on the sort of pitch he's going to end up facing about 80% of the time in his career, I doubt the same reaction would've been had...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    I don't think NZ is a good example, there bowler can't bat, can't bowl either, there is a difference. .
    Ouch

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    Name the last successful side with a horrendous tail.

    I'm talking about four guys who can't hold a bat. Like the English side would be with Hoggard at 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    Name the last successful side with a horrendous tail.

    I'm talking about four guys who can't hold a bat. Like the English side would be with Hoggard at 8.
    Windies 1970s to mid 1990s , but the game has changed a lot since then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    Windies 1970s to mid 1990s , but the game has changed a lot since then...
    M Marshall?
    Last edited by vic_orthdox; 08-03-2006 at 04:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    M Marshall?
    Did he play for 20 years, for most of the time they played four bowlers that weren't great with the bat. Effectively the type of tail England would have if they played Hoggard, Jones, Harmison and Monty.

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    Marshall - 10 career 50's.
    M Holding - 6 career 50's.
    Ambrose, Garner, Roberts were all reasonably handy as well. All, at worst, an equivalent to Hoggard.

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    So let me get this straight.

    What you're saying is that for England to defend the Ashes they need to not play their 4 best bowlers?

    Spoken like a true Aussie.

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    My main point is that I think having a tail that can contribute runs consistently is massively underrated. The psychological effects of digging yourself out of trouble, or of rubbing the opposition's face in it when you've already got runs, is massive - as is the follow on effect of being rolled quickly once you get to 6 down. Momentum leading into the next innings is so often important, and I think that batting ability definently does - and should - come into selection for bowlers.

    The controversy over Panesar being told a while back to work on his batting is similar to how many Australian spinners are treated. They are told that if you can't bat, your going to struggle to get games in FC cricket, let alone for your country, because there are a lot of times when you're not going to be doing much bowling - so you've got to be able to contribute something to the side, and not just be carried through the game.

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