Sack Fletcher!!!!

chris.hinton · 09-01-2007, 01:24 PM

Todays loss comfirms that the man who is in Chage of the English Cricket team is simply a Buffon, who has clearly lost the plot, if this man stays as coach of the England team then we will go Backwards.

SACK HIM NOW ECB

silentstriker · 09-01-2007, 01:51 PM

I think if 5-0 did not convince someone, a 20/20 match won't really do anything.

BoyBrumby · 09-01-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chris.hinton

Todays loss comfirms that the man who is in Chage of the English Cricket team is simply a Buffon, who has clearly lost the plot, if this man stays as coach of the England team then we will go Backwards.

SACK HIM NOW ECB

Dunc=

steds · 09-01-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chris.hinton

SACK HIM NOW ECB

Now, there are plenty of reasons to sack Fletcher, but you don't sack a coach in the middle of a tour.

Richard · 09-01-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chris.hinton

Todays loss comfirms that the man who is in Chage of the English Cricket team is simply a Buffon, who has clearly lost the plot, if this man stays as coach of the England team then we will go Backwards.

SACK HIM NOW ECB

How on Earth does a Twenty20 game do anything of the sort?

Stumped · 09-01-2007, 05:31 PM

if a team does poorly the first person everyone blames is the coach!...wrong asumption, mark philloposues for example has been through about 20 coaches in 5 years. i think we should be looking at the players and maybe even the selectors rather than the coach.

Richard · 09-01-2007, 05:42 PM

Interestingly, that's not strictly true.

Duncan Fletcher has (rightly IMO) rarely been blamed much for England's few disasters since he took the position.

What's changed now is probably nothing more than a matter of things coming around eventually.

Nonetheless, changing coach now is about the worst idea possible.

Kweek · 10-01-2007, 07:04 AM

after the ashes, before the WC is the way to go in my opinion.

Richard · 10-01-2007, 07:08 AM

And yet... really, what good can come of that?

Indeed, of course, I'd argue that little good can come of changing coach at all, but surely the week (something like that) between Australia tour and World Cup invites chaos?

luffy · 11-01-2007, 02:15 AM

It sometimes annoys me how the coaches get the blame. I mean he had a large part in them winning the ashes in 2005 it was the players to blame this time as none of the players consistenetely stood up and performed.

albo97056 · 11-01-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

And yet... really, what good can come of that?

Indeed, of course, I'd argue that little good can come of changing coach at all, but surely the week (something like that) between Australia tour and World Cup invites chaos?

It might make the players sit up and take notice, i mean how much worse can it get? If the coach goes then the players have to work harder to adjust to a new coach, gives them a kick up the arse. Exactly what they need i say.

Richard · 11-01-2007, 08:20 AM

So the loss of the man who could quite justifiably be called the best coach in Test history would be a worthwhile price to pay for that?

I don't think so.

Far better to drop someone like Anderson to "give the kick up the arse", as he's someone who can come back from such a thing.

There are sound reasons why most of the current team (coach included) should stay. Equally, there are sound reasons for the return of Trescothick and Vaughan should they be in suitable state.

albo97056 · 11-01-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

So the loss of the man who could quite justifiably be called the best coach in Test history would be a worthwhile price to pay for that?

I don't think so.

Far better to drop someone like Anderson to "give the kick up the arse", as he's someone who can come back from such a thing.

There are sound reasons why most of the current team (coach included) should stay. Equally, there are sound reasons for the return of Trescothick and Vaughan should they be in suitable state.

I think best test coach in history is a bit much, I certainly never thought of him a s such. Hes done a great job mind, but his time has come, england havent really progressed at all since the last ashes.

Richard · 11-01-2007, 09:29 AM

Who's been better then? Bobby Simpson? Bob Woolmer? They're the only ones even close to his class.

Why haven't England progressed much since the last Ashes? All sorts of reasons. How many of those are due to poor methods from Duncan Fletcher? I'd say precisely none. His only real mistake of this series was sticking to his guns and picking Anderson ahead of Panesar at The 'Gabba and Adelaide.

Other than that, he's done little wrong and I'd be very, very worried about what the future might hold if he were not to have his contract extended after the World Cup.

albo97056 · 11-01-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Who's been better then? Bobby Simpson? Bob Woolmer? They're the only ones even close to his class.

Why haven't England progressed much since the last Ashes? All sorts of reasons. How many of those are due to poor methods from Duncan Fletcher? I'd say precisely none. His only real mistake of this series was sticking to his guns and picking Anderson ahead of Panesar at The 'Gabba and Adelaide.

Other than that, he's done little wrong and I'd be very, very worried about what the future might hold if he were not to have his contract extended after the World Cup.

The test of a coach is his results and 5-0 is ****. Get rid of him...

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Stumped Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Behind the Stumps Posts: 1,071	if a team does poorly the first person everyone blames is the coach!...wrong asumption, mark philloposues for example has been through about 20 coaches in 5 years. i think we should be looking at the players and maybe even the selectors rather than the coach.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Interestingly, that's not strictly true. Duncan Fletcher has (rightly IMO) rarely been blamed much for England's few disasters since he took the position. What's changed now is probably nothing more than a matter of things coming around eventually. Nonetheless, changing coach now is about the worst idea possible.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	And yet... really, what good can come of that? Indeed, of course, I'd argue that little good can come of changing coach at all, but surely the week (something like that) between Australia tour and World Cup invites chaos?

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luffy International Captain Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: **** Posts: 5,353	It sometimes annoys me how the coaches get the blame. I mean he had a large part in them winning the ashes in 2005 it was the players to blame this time as none of the players consistenetely stood up and performed.

11-01-2007, 08:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	So the loss of the man who could quite justifiably be called the best coach in Test history would be a worthwhile price to pay for that? I don't think so. Far better to drop someone like Anderson to "give the kick up the arse", as he's someone who can come back from such a thing. There are sound reasons why most of the current team (coach included) should stay. Equally, there are sound reasons for the return of Trescothick and Vaughan should they be in suitable state.

11-01-2007, 09:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Who's been better then? Bobby Simpson? Bob Woolmer? They're the only ones even close to his class. Why haven't England progressed much since the last Ashes? All sorts of reasons. How many of those are due to poor methods from Duncan Fletcher? I'd say precisely none. His only real mistake of this series was sticking to his guns and picking Anderson ahead of Panesar at The 'Gabba and Adelaide. Other than that, he's done little wrong and I'd be very, very worried about what the future might hold if he were not to have his contract extended after the World Cup.

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