After the Whitewash (or How to Lose the Ashes) - Page 3

Salamuddin · 26-01-2007, 07:24 PM

I can't believe the POms wanna give up a five man attack of Flintoof, Hoggard, Harmison Jones and Mudhsudhan Singh.
It's pretty much what gave you the success in 2003-2005.

Look at the real problem - the fact that your wicketkepper can't bat

marc71178 · 27-01-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Salamuddin

I can't believe the POms wanna give up a five man attack of Flintoof, Hoggard, Harmison Jones and Mudhsudhan Singh.
It's pretty much what gave you the success in 2003-2005.

Erm no, it's not because Panesar didn't play in that period and using those listed 5 names makes the tail pathetic.

Richard · 27-01-2007, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salamuddin

I can't believe the POms wanna give up a five man attack of Flintoof, Hoggard, Harmison Jones and Mudhsudhan Singh.
It's pretty much what gave you the success in 2003-2005.

Look at the real problem - the fact that your wicketkepper can't bat

Substitute Giles for MSP (and change 2003 to 2004, we had very little success in 2003 other than against the might of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) and you'd be correct there.

And why, because Harmison happened to have a bit of success at the start of 2004 does that mean he should still be an automatic pick now?

PhoenixFire · 28-01-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Substitute Giles for MSP (and change 2003 to 2004, we had very little success in 2003 other than against the might of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) and you'd be correct there.

And why, because Harmison happened to have a bit of success at the start of 2004 does that mean he should still be an automatic pick now?

He was the no.1 bowler in the world

Richard · 28-01-2007, 03:22 PM

Not in that period he wasn't - he reached number-two at the end of his successful period (which ended with the Third Test against New Zealand)

A dud ranking system then somehow moved him up after 3 abysmal games and 1 good one.

Almost as dud as the name itself - which reflect form and nothing else. Harmison was not ranked number-one - at best, he was ranked most-in-form in The World.

tooextracool · 28-01-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

"2: BOWLING
Ensure your attack is selected based on your checklist, and that it has barely played cricket for a year"

I dont think Jon Lewis, Anderson, Vaughan, Flintoff, Simon Jones, Plunkett and everyone else constantly getting injured has to do with selection tbh. When was the last time we put a fully fit side(even if you exclude Vaughan and Jones) on the cricket field? Honestly there has to be a reason why Englands side is the least fit side in the world bar NZ.

tooextracool · 28-01-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Erm no, it's not because Panesar didn't play in that period and using those listed 5 names makes the tail pathetic.

the tail has only been pathetic because geraint has been part of it.

marc71178 · 29-01-2007, 01:10 AM

Not really - the 4 below him aren't much cop.

The more I think about it the more I come around to using 4 bowlers and putting Read in at 8.

wpdavid · 29-01-2007, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Not really - the 4 below him aren't much cop.

The more I think about it the more I come around to using 4 bowlers and putting Read in at 8.

Richard · 29-01-2007, 02:18 PM

Why have Read at eight when there are better options?

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28-01-2007, 03:22 PM	#35 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Not in that period he wasn't - he reached number-two at the end of his successful period (which ended with the Third Test against New Zealand) A dud ranking system then somehow moved him up after 3 abysmal games and 1 good one. Almost as dud as the name itself - which reflect form and nothing else. Harmison was not ranked number-one - at best, he was ranked most-in-form in The World.

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marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Not really - the 4 below him aren't much cop. The more I think about it the more I come around to using 4 bowlers and putting Read in at 8.

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