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Thread: If Vaughan, Trescothick and Jones had been fit England would have won.

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    Look when a side is 4-0 down theres no way anyone can single out one reason only for England losing the Ashes. How many times have i mentioned over the last 3 years that the selection comittee is an absolute joke? A lot of the people seemed to think hey, our test side won the Ashes and we've been doing quite well in tests, hence our selectors are quite good in tests and useless in ODIs. Where is the logic in that? You're either a dumbass or your quite intelligent, you cannot vary between both in different forms of the game. Yes England would presumably have done better with all 3 of those in the side, but the selections of Jones over Read, Giles over Panesar, Flintoff as captain, Liam Plunkett in the squad were always daft selections and nothing has changed since then. If anything this Ashes has once again shown us that previous success had more to do with the quality of captaincy- Hussain and Vaughan- rather than the quality of the coach. Until the whole selection comittee is given a drastic shake up i cant see England getting out of this slump. The likes of Graveney, Fletcher and Flintoff should never come close to making another selection and a whole new personnel needs to be produced by the ECB if they indeed want to live up to their promise of being the best test team at the end of this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBloody Idiot View Post
    If Vaughan and Trescothick had played, Bell and probably Collingwood may have been left out, and England would lose by more.

    Trescothick would have been destroyed this series.
    I think id rather have the intelligence and logic of Trescothick and Vaughan over any of the absolute brainlessness displayed by Flintoff not only on the field but in the selection process. I cant understand which one of our idiotic selectors came up with " Hey look at the common sense and intelligence displayed by Flintoff when hes batting, i think he'd make a great captain especially with all that grade cricket captaincy experience and with all his injuries he'd make a perfect replacement for our injuried first choice captain."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Jones is another hard call to make. The reverse swinging genius of 2005 is obviously a huge miss, but let's not forget he was actually dropped for the 4th test of our SA tour the previous winter.
    and we all remember what a great selection decision that was. Obviously 10 wickets 28 odd a piece in his first 3 tests, along with a match winning performance in the first test, werent good enough for the selectors who seemed to think that they would be better off replacing him with a bowler who had little to no recent FC cricket and had been an international failure until then in James Anderson. Surprisingly enough when he returned in the 5th test he took 4/47.

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    Whether his Extra Strongs would've been as effective on the Kookaburra as they were on the Duke is also difficult to say with any degree of certainty. The consensus is that the Kookaburra isn't as conducive to reverse so it's probably fair to say he may not have been as effective, but it's equally fair to say he'd have done better than Anderson or Mahmood.
    Anderson apparently got the ball to go in the warm up games, and Jones has in the past got the kookaburra ball to reverse in Australian conditions so i cant see why he wouldnt have got the ball to reverse even if not as effectively as in the Ashes last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    Jones - Had, what, 4 good matches? And people were hailing him as one of the best bowlers to walk the earth. The other English bowlers can't reverse swing the Kookaburra, gentlemen, so Jones wouldn't have.
    Im sick and tired of this labelling of Jones as a reverse swing specialist. Any clown that watched him bowl at TB in 2005 or in the series against Bangladesh can see that hes more than capable of swinging the ball conventionally. Further anyone who can bowl at 90mph with a perfectly upright seam is bound to cause problems to any batsman on any wicket that offers even the remotest assistance. I think that if it werent for injuries, Jones would be amongst the top 2 bowlers in the world today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirBloody Idiot View Post
    If Vaughan and Trescothick had played, Bell and probably Collingwood may have been left out, and England would lose by more.
    Oh yes, especially because Bell has dominated with an average of 29 this series. Blinding stuff really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowtim View Post
    I'm just saying his form in recent times has been poor. Very poor. Fire it in on off stump and you'll clean bowl him. Ever since he became captain his batting has been shunned and overlooked and he hasn't contributed as much.

    Ponting averages something like 65 as captain.
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