PhoenixFire
International Coach
He can hang around if he needs to, more than Harmison or Panesar.
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Hoggard At Number 11?
- Thread starter Bob Bamber
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superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
He is crap now, he's declined steadily over the last 18months-2 years.
I'd like to see the average partnerships he's been in the last 2 years, if we are saying thats what counts in his case, because i don't think he's been nearly as effective as he was, and the fact is that Panesar had put in a few decent partnerships batting at 11 where he obvioulsy doesn't get the chance to form them as much as Hoggard does at 9. ( I remember a big one with Collie and least a couple of others around 40).
I'd like to see the average partnerships he's been in the last 2 years, if we are saying thats what counts in his case, because i don't think he's been nearly as effective as he was, and the fact is that Panesar had put in a few decent partnerships batting at 11 where he obvioulsy doesn't get the chance to form them as much as Hoggard does at 9. ( I remember a big one with Collie and least a couple of others around 40).
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
Some stats
Since Ashes 2005.
No of runs added whilst Hoggard at the crease 665 in the course of 34 innings (19.56 per inns), 5 not outs leaves 22.93 per completed inns.
No of runs added whilst Harmison at the crease 560 in 26 inns (21.53), 5 NO's leaves 26.67 per inns.
Panesar - 220 runs added from 15 inns (14.67), but 9 NO's leaves 36.67.
Since Ashes 2005.
No of runs added whilst Hoggard at the crease 665 in the course of 34 innings (19.56 per inns), 5 not outs leaves 22.93 per completed inns.
No of runs added whilst Harmison at the crease 560 in 26 inns (21.53), 5 NO's leaves 26.67 per inns.
Panesar - 220 runs added from 15 inns (14.67), but 9 NO's leaves 36.67.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
As has already been stated, it makes no difference.
He would bat 11 for Aus and England have a terrible tail.
The old expression "You can't plait ****" applies here. Hoggard is a bad batsman. Batting him at 8 or 9 does not make him a number 8 or 9 batsman.
11 is fine for him, the problem is that everyone else is his equal or worse.
He would bat 11 for Aus and England have a terrible tail.
The old expression "You can't plait ****" applies here. Hoggard is a bad batsman. Batting him at 8 or 9 does not make him a number 8 or 9 batsman.
11 is fine for him, the problem is that everyone else is his equal or worse.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Yea, Flintoff at 7, Jones/Read at 8, someone else at 9 (Giles-like), and then 10 & 11 can be Hoggard and Panesar.Goughy said:
That would be ideal, until they find a better keeper.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Panesar does seem to have some batting potential, maybe number 8 material if he gets the right training.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
He's played some pretty nice drives and stuff, he can bat.
AussieDominance
Banned
He did and failed.ripper868 said:
