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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper868
    Pieterson seems to always be stuck with the tail, he needs to be promoted to 4 so he can get the chance to bat with other batters instead of having to not take singles to retain the strike and play shots like the one he got out to warne with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson
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    Panesar has shown some skill with the bat of late, he has bumped his average up to 11 aswell, so he deserves to be above at least one person
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    He's batting at 11 because he's ****.
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    Hoggard isn't ****, how dare you!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes
    He's batting at 11 because he's ****.
    He really isn't though - I think his batting might suffer from this demotion - it'll shatter his confidence.

    I seriously think he should be at #8 in the current England lineup - he is a lot more valuable with a set batsman than someone like Mahmood or Harmison.
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    He can hang around if he needs to, more than Harmison or Panesar.

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    He is crap now, he's declined steadily over the last 18months-2 years.

    I'd like to see the average partnerships he's been in the last 2 years, if we are saying thats what counts in his case, because i don't think he's been nearly as effective as he was, and the fact is that Panesar had put in a few decent partnerships batting at 11 where he obvioulsy doesn't get the chance to form them as much as Hoggard does at 9. ( I remember a big one with Collie and least a couple of others around 40).

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    Some stats

    Since Ashes 2005.

    No of runs added whilst Hoggard at the crease 665 in the course of 34 innings (19.56 per inns), 5 not outs leaves 22.93 per completed inns.

    No of runs added whilst Harmison at the crease 560 in 26 inns (21.53), 5 NO's leaves 26.67 per inns.

    Panesar - 220 runs added from 15 inns (14.67), but 9 NO's leaves 36.67.

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    As has already been stated, it makes no difference.

    He would bat 11 for Aus and England have a terrible tail.

    The old expression "You can't plait ****" applies here. Hoggard is a bad batsman. Batting him at 8 or 9 does not make him a number 8 or 9 batsman.

    11 is fine for him, the problem is that everyone else is his equal or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    As has already been stated, it makes no difference.

    He would bat 11 for Aus and England have a terrible tail.

    The old expression "You can't plait ****" applies here. Hoggard is a bad batsman. Batting him at 8 or 9 does not make him a number 8 or 9 batsman.

    11 is fine for him, the problem is that everyone else is his equal or worse.
    Yea, Flintoff at 7, Jones/Read at 8, someone else at 9 (Giles-like), and then 10 & 11 can be Hoggard and Panesar.

    That would be ideal, until they find a better keeper.
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    Panesar does seem to have some batting potential, maybe number 8 material if he gets the right training.

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    Exactly, when I heard Giles was picked on the basis of his batting I assumed Panesar was Chris Martin-esque. But he's actually not bad at all, can see him getting a Test 50 or two in his career.

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    He's played some pretty nice drives and stuff, he can bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper868
    Pieterson seems to always be stuck with the tail, he needs to be promoted to 4 so he can get the chance to bat with other batters instead of having to not take singles to retain the strike and play shots like the one he got out to warne with.
    He did and failed.

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    Because Hoggard is such a defensive batter have him last so they can try and last a couple more overs.

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