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    Quote Originally Posted by James90
    I haven't been particularly impressed by Gilchrist's keeping at all this series. Today was considerably worse than any other day but from the stands in The Gabba it was obvious that Gilchrist didn't have the energy to get behind the stumps to receive the throws.
    I was thinking before he made the century in Perth that he would start to come under some serious pressure if the keeping fell away a little further and he started missing chances. Since the beginning of the last ashes series he has only made 800 odd runs at an average of 30 and if you take out the 144 v. Bangladesh and the unbeaten ton in Perth it is pretty ugly from a batting perspective. Over that time period I would have backed Haddin to put up better numbers than that and if Gilchrist is missing soda stumpings and not reaching sharpish catches that you would expect an Australian keeper to get to than the jungle drums in the media will start to get louder. I think Healy has it right when he says that Gilchrist should retire from the one dayers and concentrate on tests for another year or two after the world cup and give a Haddin, Ronchi or Paine an opportunity in the one day side to ease them into international cricket before he hangs up the gloves permanently.

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    I think that the 100 in Perth has clearly taken the heat off him, but he didn't keep well at all today, I can't ever invisage Australia dropping him until at least after the world cup, whatever he gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    His people are very theatrical, aren't they?
    Yes, it came out some years ago that despite his years of contributing to Australian media, he's actually English! I can't say I was surprised, though, all the telltale signs were there.

    I didn't hear Roebuck's rant, but Lee has certainly been unimpressive (though not through lack of effort) and in spite of that amazing innings the other week, Gilly's certainly been in a bit of a patch of late. I'm still firmly in the "I wouldn't be dreaming of axing him" camp, even with his shoddy keeping yesterday. Still an incredibly dangerous weapon to have up your sleeve, and while his quickfire century doesn't necessarily say he's back, it shows he's still got it (there's a subtle difference). And, as others have said, his stats for this series are far from horrid and he's averaging 50+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Love™
    Yes, it came out some years ago that despite his years of contributing to Australian media, he's actually English! I can't say I was surprised, though, all the telltale signs were there.
    Touche.

    I here there's talk of developing an in utero test for the rogue "Pommie gene".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    Touche.

    I here there's talk of developing an in utero test for the rogue "Pommie gene".
    Actually Roebuck's really something of a prick, isn't he though? At times he writes well (though less and less as the years go by, I find), but he does launch into some really vitriolic attacks out of the blue occasionally. Coincidentally, I was just reading the Kenneth Williams diaries, and Roebuck shares more than a few traits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Love™
    Actually Roebuck's really something of a prick, isn't he though? At times he writes well (though less and less as the years go by, I find), but he does launch into some really vitriolic attacks out of the blue occasionally. Coincidentally, I was just reading the Kenneth Williams diaries, and Roebuck shares more than a few traits.
    Extremely bitter man. Somehow blames England for his public disgrace I think.

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    Personally, at 29, Haddin shouldn't be considered anything more than a back-up for Gilchrist. Once they decide to get rid of Gilchrist, the selectors should be looking for the next generation, I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    Personally, at 29, Haddin shouldn't be considered anything more than a back-up for Gilchrist. Once they decide to get rid of Gilchrist, the selectors should be looking for the next generation, I reckon.
    If he was 32 or something I'd agree, but 29 isn't old. Gilchrist was around 29 when he made his test debut, and he's closing in on 100 tests, and Clark and Hussey have just debuted at 30+ recently and had tremendous success. Haddin should definitely be in the test side when Gilchrist retires, unless he plays on for much longer than expected. Haddin's the best keeper-batsman in the country by a pretty massive distance really. I'd much rather have a 30 year old who is a capable keeper and can average 40 odd with the bat than some unproven youngster like Hartley or Ronchi.
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    Gilly, increasingly, is becoming more like Lara with the bat. Capable of one or two amazing performances during a Test Series, which tend to mask an otherwise below-par overall contribution with the blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj
    Gilly, increasingly, is becoming more like Lara with the bat. Capable of one or two amazing performances during a Test Series, which tend to mask an otherwise below-par overall contribution with the blade.
    Eh? In Lara's most recent series he made scores of 61, 122, 216, 0 and 49.

    Pretty decent I'd say. I do think that Gilchrist has lost something though, although I'm not really sure what it is exactly. His recent run of form has been pretty poor. Series averages of 22.62 in England, 17.33 home to WI, 27.60 home to SA, 10.00 away to SA 78.00 in Bangladesh (144 in one innings) and now averages just over 41 in the current Ashes series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pskov
    Eh? In Lara's most recent series he made scores of 61, 122, 216, 0 and 49.

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    In his three or four series before that though, I think you'll find that he only had a decent impact in one or so innings during the series. I guess my view of things is also coloured by his efforts against Australia, in Australia - where he always pulls out a massive innings (usually when the series is dead) which bolsters an otherwise poor series.

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    Pretty much what you mentioned only happened with Lara vs. Australia, and let's be fair, he copped some horrific umpiring decisions in that series.

    Lara has been brilliant with the bat in tests since 2002, and that includes his last 2 years which have been very good. He's not as consistent as Ponting, Kallis or Dravid, but he's definitely been one of the top 5-7 test batsman around in the last 2-3 years. Lara's anyway always been known throughout his career to be a player who is vulnerable early on, but if you don't get him he goes on to make big hundreds. That's always been the contrasting factor vs. Sachin, the consistent player vs. the man that can make big scores.

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    Series vs. SA: 196, 4, 176, 13, 4
    Series vs. Pak: 130, 48, 153, 0
    Series vs. Aus (including Super Series): 5, 36, 30, 14, 13, 45, 226, 17

    Scores in 2006:
    Series vs. NZ: 5, 0, 1, 1, 83
    Series vs. Ind: 18, 0, 7, 120, 10, 19 (actually had a bad series against India, as he normally does for some reason.)
    Series vs. Pak: 61, 122, 216, 0, 49
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    Yeah those are pretty nice scores, and the main thing is, most of the time he comes big in crucial situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Pretty much what you mentioned only happened with Lara vs. Australia,
    ...and NZ and India.

    I'm not saying he's not a great player, just that for someone with a good average (like Gilchrist) he's not the most consistent player going around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj
    ...and NZ and India.

    I'm not saying he's not a great player, just that for someone with a good average (like Gilchrist) he's not the most consistent player going around.
    Haha yeah you got me there in terms of "scoring low and then one big score."

    What I was mainly referring to was whether those series, his big score didn't actually cover up his bad series. In most people's views who followed the series, those knocks didn't "mask" his ordinary series, because the simple fact is he batted poorly for the most part in the NZ and India series. Against Aus IMO he was just plain unlucky, because he barely got going and would be given out LBW with Lee bowling around the wicket and the ball missing another set of stumps down leg.

    I think we're arguing a petty argument anyway, because I understood exactly what you meant with Gilly when you said it, because Lara does have that reputation
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