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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    I'm not convinced that Harmison deserves to be in the England Test team right now. Especially if he's not getting the new ball... which he isn't.

    Hoggard, Flintoff (when fit), Panesar, Jones (when fit).
    Gradually Harmo has got his mojo back in this series, won't drop him just like that. People keep saying that Harmo is the spearhead & he should get the new ball. AFAIC he isn't the spearhead, Flintoff is England best bowler thus the spearhead & Harmo is better with the older ball in both forms of the game thats why i'm disappointed he retired from ODI's.

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    Compared to the other options we've seen at 8 (Saj being the current one) - double figures would be enough.
    When Read is getting double figures as regularly as a tail-ender? get him out FFS.....

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    Read looks like a pretty good keeper from what I've seen, and he's a fair enough test number 8. My selection would be to have Joyce in at 6, Fred at 7, and Read at 8. If Freddie isn't fit to bowl more than ten overs a day at the moment, then maybe he should actually be rested and given a chance to recover properly. If he's able to contribute slightly more than that, you've got two workhorses who appear to thrive on bowling a lot in Hoggard and Paneser, so you should be fine. Probably means Harmison needs to go, as his inconsistency would be too big a burden in a four man attack - not sure who to put in instead, maybe Anderson until Broad is ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    When Read is getting double figures as regularly as a tail-ender? get him out FFS.....
    Prior to this Test, Read had only been dismissed in single figures once in 7 innings, and all of the other times he'd gone past 20...

    Comparing that to the number 8s we've seen in this series for England (for the record, Mahmood has a total of 18 runs in 6 innings) and if England can go with 4 bowlers, then Read has a place at 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    People keep saying that Harmo is the spearhead & he should get the new ball.
    Harmison should get the new ball because it's when his style of bowling is most effective. He preys on awkward bounce and pace.
    Harmo is better with the older ball
    Say what? I couldn't disagree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Prior to this Test, Read had only been dismissed in single figures once in 7 innings, and all of the other times he'd gone past 20...

    Comparing that to the number 8s we've seen in this series for England (for the record, Mahmood has a total of 18 runs in 6 innings) and if England can go with 4 bowlers, then Read has a place at 8.
    Fair enough, but we'll see how he goes with the bat in the coming months, because he has to start scoring some sort of runs to keep his place with other options around, his keeping won't keep him in regardless of how it helps the structure of the side. Jones was dropped for that exact reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    Harmison should get the new ball because it's when his style of bowling is most effective. He preys on awkward bounce and pace.

    With the new-ball you need consistency, since the WI/NZ test in mid 2004 Harmison hasn't showed that but for the odd game i.e Lords 2005. Hoggard/Flintoff combination is better since Hoggard would exploit any movement & Flintoff would be perfect back-up.
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    Say what? I couldn't disagree more.
    I'm not talking about older ball 20 over plus or at the stage where reverse-swing would be around, a first change bowler would be on at least by 10-15 overs. Look at how he bowled in Melbourne coming on first change & since then it hasn't been that bad at all and for ODI's his best bowling figures & series was coming on first change. I see no reason why he can't be equally effective as a first change bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    With the new-ball you need consistency, since the WI/NZ test in mid 2004 Harmison hasn't showed that but for the odd game i.e Lords 2005. Hoggard/Flintoff combination is better since Hoggard would exploit any movement & Flintoff would be perfect back-up.
    Sorry, but remind me when Harmison has shown consistency at all since that series?
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    I'm not talking about older ball 20 over plus or at the stage where reverse-swing would be around, a first change bowler would be on at least by 10-15 overs. Look at how he bowled in Melbourne coming on first change & since then it hasn't been that bad at all and for ODI's his best bowling figures & series was coming on first change. I see no reason why he can't be equally effective as a first change bowler.
    10-15 overs is still quite a new ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Gradually Harmo has got his mojo back in this series, won't drop him just like that. People keep saying that Harmo is the spearhead & he should get the new ball. AFAIC he isn't the spearhead, Flintoff is England best bowler thus the spearhead & Harmo is better with the older ball in both forms of the game thats why i'm disappointed he retired from ODI's.
    Just like that? He's been dire for most of the last 2 years ffs. Apparently we now have a situation where he should be picked because he can put the old ball in the right places reasonably consistently. On a good day, anyway.
    Reality is that he produces one good innings a year. Lords 1 in 2005 and Old Trafford 1 in 2006. And that's it. All this guff about him being a matchwinner is pure fantasy 90% of the time, and I really do not understand why so many people still consider him a fixture in the side after everything we've seen from him since Dec 2004. Time to move on wth someone who actually wants to be there, imho. Let the miserable sod spend his time in Ashington working men's club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    Sorry, but remind me when Harmison has shown consistency at all since that series?.
    Which series you refering to Ashes, in WI 2004 or home vs NZ 04?

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    10-15 overs is still quite a new ball.
    Well good, so Harmo can lock it off as a first-change bowler no probs mate..

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    What's the deal with Joyce?? He can't play bowling that's above 90mph, as has been proved on the county circuit. Get Rob Key or Owais Shah as the 12th man or extra batsman, Key is a really great player of quick bowling, Joyce just isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
    Get Rob Key.....as the 12th man or extra batsman, Key is a really great player of quick bowling, Joyce just isn't.
    Terrible idea IMO. He isnt that good a player, he isnt that that nice a guy and isnt that popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Terrible idea IMO. He isnt that good a player, he isnt that that nice a guy and isnt that popular.
    He's a damn sight better than Ed Joyce, can't believe he'd have lasted more than 5 minutes against McGrath, Clark, Warne and Lee.

    What's wrong with his personality anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixFire View Post
    He's a damn sight better than Ed Joyce, can't believe he'd have lasted more than 5 minutes against McGrath, Clark, Warne and Lee.

    What's wrong with his personality anyway?
    I dont want to go into stuff in the forum. Get me on MSN and Ill let you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    I dont want to go into stuff in the forum. Get me on MSN and Ill let you know
    Oh go on, we need some light relief.

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