MY View on this

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by AussieDominance

Chris I think the problem with England is the structure at domestic level can you explain to me what your thoughts are on it as im not really in a position of power as I dont live in England.

One thing to start off is the size the two divisions is much too big and is weakening the competeition if you had 8 teams say the comp would be much stronger.

Yet this same domestic structure has been in place for a few years now (and has incidentally coincided with one of the best periods England have ever had...)

[AussieDominance]

It has but it is my feeling England could have an even better breeding ground if they made it 8 teams as the competition would be much stronger and full of most of the players who actually have a chance of playing for England.

[steds]

Hinton - back like flares. Like most Hinton posts, can split his post into the obvious:

1) Sack Duncan Fletcher
2) Appoint Strauss as Skipper until Vaughan is fit
8) Play Panesar ever game he is class

the debatable:

3) Giles, Mahmood, G Jones and Trescothick should never wear an England shirt again
5) Sack Graveney and Appoint Graham Gooch as Chairman of Selectors
7) Sack Phil Neale as the Tour as been a shambles, should have bee 2 4 days games before the First Test
6) Get Bowlers playing more County Cricket

And the absurd:

4) Sack Shine and double Cooleys wages to get him back
9) Steve Davies should be Englands Wicketkeeper
10) give Harmy, Anderson one last chance
11) Hold an Academy to find a good quick Bowler
12) Aboilsh the Academy as we cannot beat Second Xi state sides

Was only lacking some random Inzyishness.

[aussie]

Originally Posted by chris.hinton

Its been a complete Shambles, England have been simply badly led in ever department. Australia have not played that well to get the Ashes back, Duncan Fletcher has simply lost the plot the man is simply turning himself into a bit of a joke and the ECB should do the decent thing and SACK HIM picking Giles over Panesar was shocking. Flintoff has showed that like Botham he is out of his depth as a Skipper he simply cannot lead the troops and a lot of the time his fielding postions has been woeful.

Here a Small Blueprint of what should happen:-

1) Sack Duncan Fletcher
2) Appoint Strauss as Skipper until Vaughan is fit
3) Giles, Mahmood, G Jones and Trescothick should never wear an England shirt again
4) Sack Shine and double Cooleys wages to get him back
5) Sack Graveney and Appoint Graham Gooch as Chairman of Selectors
6) Get Bowlers playing more County Cricket
7) Sack Phil Neale as the Tour as been a shambles, should have bee 2 4 days games before the First Test
8) Play Panesar ever game he is class
9) Steve Davies should be Englands Wicketkeeper
10) give Harmy, Anderson one last chance
11) Hold an Academy to find a good quick Bowler
12) Aboilsh the Academy as we cannot beat Second Xi state sides

1. A good coach can have a bad series, wait until the end of the World Cup at least

2. Fair enough

3. Jones definately, the rest still can offer England something in the future, if all the bowlers are fit Mahmood could go back to OT and bowl more in CC to develop himself.

4. haha, yea that would be good

5. Over-reaction

6. Well they do, the domestic structure has been pretty good of late, blokes like Broad, Mahmood, Panesar have impressed & emerged from it.

7. Probably should have been 2 4 day games, but with the amount of cricket players play these days, the players themselves probably felt that they had enough preparation.

8. No doubt

9. Not sure if he's ready as yet, but if Read can't do the job between now & the WC & they don't go for Pothas maybe Davies should be given a go as early as next season vs WI & IND.

10. Nah, they still can offer England much in the future

11. Ha, our pace bowling stocks are in good order, no need for that

12. Haha, yo camn down..

[aussie]

Originally Posted by silentstriker

Favorites for 2009? Are you serious?

Its a strong possiblity given that England won't change much come 2009 & Australia changed a lot.

[Top_Cat]

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Someone had to do it.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by AussieDominance

It has but it is my feeling England could have an even better breeding ground if they made it 8 teams as the competition would be much stronger and full of most of the players who actually have a chance of playing for England.

Actually I'm not so sure it would since employment laws over here mean there's a lot of non-English qualified players around (as they're cheaper relatively speaking) - so they're more likely to be kept on.

[The Sean]

Originally Posted by chris.hinton

Its been a complete Shambles, England have been simply badly led in ever department. Australia have not played that well to get the Ashes back, Duncan Fletcher has simply lost the plot the man is simply turning himself into a bit of a joke and the ECB should do the decent thing and SACK HIM picking Giles over Panesar was shocking. Flintoff has showed that like Botham he is out of his depth as a Skipper he simply cannot lead the troops and a lot of the time his fielding postions has been woeful.

Here a Small Blueprint of what should happen:-

1) Sack Duncan Fletcher
2) Appoint Strauss as Skipper until Vaughan is fit
3) Giles, Mahmood, G Jones and Trescothick should never wear an England shirt again
4) Sack Shine and double Cooleys wages to get him back
5) Sack Graveney and Appoint Graham Gooch as Chairman of Selectors
6) Get Bowlers playing more County Cricket
7) Sack Phil Neale as the Tour as been a shambles, should have bee 2 4 days games before the First Test
8) Play Panesar ever game he is class
9) Steve Davies should be Englands Wicketkeeper
10) give Harmy, Anderson one last chance
11) Hold an Academy to find a good quick Bowler
12) Aboilsh the Academy as we cannot beat Second Xi state sides

and dont get me started on the Domestic issues


One last note my Best Wishes goes out to Ashley Giles Wife who i hope gets better soon


These should

I think you've got some decent points there, and some knee-jerk overreactions. But I've highlighted a point in bold in your first paragraph, and you need to give the Aussies credit where it's due. I think they've played superb cricket this series.

[GIMH]

Originally Posted by The Sean

I think you've got some decent points there, and some knee-jerk overreactions. But I've highlighted a point in bold in your first paragraph, and you need to give the Aussies credit where it's due. I think they've played superb cricket this series.

Agreed, Chris has made some valid points, but Australia have played some of the best Cricket I've seen in recent years.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero

Agreed, Chris has made some valid points, but Australia have played some of the best Cricket I've seen in recent years.

They played better cricket in SA IMO. And poor Graeme Smith, they completely destroyed him personally, didn't they? Never seen anything like it. The man still hasn't recovered.

[chris.hinton]

Domestic cricket is ok but needs tweaking at lower levels

[PhoenixFire]

Why sack Fletcher? He has made some poor desicions, but remember he did win the Ashes back for us in 2005.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

Why sack Fletcher? He has made some poor desicions, but remember he did win the Ashes back for us in 2005.

Have to stop living 15 months ago. Since then, you've lost 2-0 in Pakistan, did well 1-1 in India, then did badly with 1-1 against Sri Lanka, and then did well 3-0 in Pakistan...and then got completely owned 3-0 so far in Australia.

Very mixed, and certainly not matching the couple years before Ashes 2005. Its not a bad thing to think he has taken this team as far as he can, and its time for a change.

[PhoenixFire]

I guess, but I'm not sure there are too many better coaches than him.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by PhoenixFire

I guess, but I'm not sure there are too many better coaches than him.

Thats a relative term. Someone might be a better fit to lead this team forward.