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    I'm gonna be pedantic here, but your players didn't get OBEs, they got MBEs. So there.

    And tbh I think most people in the country felt they deserved them, in comparison to some other awards that get dished out ("Sir" Alex anyone?).
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    In theory yes, but it's against forum rules!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero
    I'm gonna be pedantic here, but your players didn't get OBEs, they got MBEs. So there.

    And tbh I think most people in the country felt they deserved them, in comparison to some other awards that get dished out ("Sir" Alex anyone?).
    It was all just a bit too OTT, as England so often goes when they win something. Going awards-crazy at the first sign of success is to me a glaring indication of a "losing" culture, a culture where you're so shocked to actually win something that you don't know how to react and so go completely over the top. We're dead happy about regaining the Ashes, because it hurt to lose them last year. But this whole Aussie squad isn't going to get the Order of Australia for it.

    Though as a United fan, "Sir" Alex is thoroughly deserved.

    As for the contest - well I think it HAS been a contest for much of the series, which is why I'm enjoying the scoreline even more. England have played some good cricket, some of the individuals (Pietersen, Hoggard, Collingwood, Cook, Bell) have put in outstanding performances, and they've gotten themselves into strong positions in at least two of the three Tests. And they're still down 3-0. Rather than bemoan the lack of contest, I'm proud of the Aussie boys for having stepped up so well when it's mattered.

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    If we win the Ashes back in 2009, and don't lose them until 2025, then maybe you'll go a bit OTT upon regaining them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    I've noticed here (and pointed out in Off Topic), that Aussie fans seem to be spending more time lamenting this lack of an Ashes contest, than rubbing Pommie noses into the dust with ridicule and the usual hoots of derision that accompany a tour down under.. It seems a strange attitude, and to me it seems like they were happier to be beaten in the 2005 epic than to watch this one sided series..
    I guess I'm kind of disappointed in a way, I always like no-contests when I'm on the winning side and couldn't care less for the fate of my opponents, as long as they are being beaten hard, and I thought the majority of Aussies felt the same way too about their cricket and their sport in general.. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoT_SpIn
    I wanted a close series in which England had a chance of winning yet at the last moment it was to be taken away from them in a cruel and unusual fashion.


    76.2 Gillespie to Harmison, OUT! That`s ten for the innings! Gillespie bowls a shorter one which hits Harmison on his chest, Harmison screams like a girl and the vibrations from the noise dislodge the bails! Australia win 3-2, and it looks like Harmison has soiled himself. Great work by Gillespie to back-up his 500* in the first-innings. The 5th Test goes to Australia by 2 runs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero
    If we win the Ashes back in 2009, and don't lose them until 2025, then maybe you'll go a bit OTT upon regaining them....
    Well now we're getting into the realms of fantasy...

    Though I do reckon you're more than an outside chance for 2009. Back on home soil, with some exceptional young talent and with much of our team probably gone by then. It will be interesting to see how our new boys step up - I reckon depending on just how many of our current team have gone by then (I'd say McGrath, Langer, Gilly, Hayden and Warney are certain/probable to have gone) there's a real chance that in 2009, for the first time in many years, England will be the more experienced side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean
    As for the contest - well I think it HAS been a contest for much of the series, which is why I'm enjoying the scoreline even more. England have played some good cricket, some of the individuals (Pietersen, Hoggard, Collingwood, Cook, Bell) have put in outstanding performances, and they've gotten themselves into strong positions in at least two of the three Tests. And they're still down 3-0. Rather than bemoan the lack of contest, I'm proud of the Aussie boys for having stepped up so well when it's mattered.
    I concur with that. Perhaps other than in Brisbane (I actually didn't see any of the 1st test after day 1 as I was in Miami) England have been competitive, and they've even won the odd day or two (sometimes pretty convincingly). What their problem has been is the inability transform those sessions won into killer blows (to use a phrase mentioned far too often by the C9 commentary team today). They really should have taken Australia close to a loss in Adelaide, let alone losing themselves, and if you bowl Australia out for 244 you have to get an innings lead.

    I think England have been about as competitive as SA were when down here recently. However people saw that as a good competitive and entertaining series because it didn't have that high expectations (there was plenty of banter, but SA hadn't beaten Aus for ages). Compare that to the Ashes which was hyped like no other series I remember. Hence Australia winning 3-0 is always going to make it seem like the series was an absolute drubbing.

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    I think the deadness of the pitches has probably extended the contests to a fair degree. Not to take away from some of the English performances with the bat, but I think it's been very difficult for the bowlers for quite long stretches of play, particularly towards the tail of the matches (the last day at Adelaide obviously being an aberration more revolving around the attitudes of the players concerned more than the pitch itself) - and England's bowling form, apart from one or two flashes (and discounting Panesar) has been frequently indifferent.

    They haven't been absolutely caned in every session of the match, and they've certainly won sessions, but I wouldn't call the series much of a contest so far. If you look at our tour of Sri Lanka, where we also won 3-0, that was actually far more of a contest, because you could easily see us losing any of those games at particular points. Doesn't feel that way (to me at least) here at all. And things will only look worse if this goes to 5-0, as it well might. The final margins of each test are very conclusive.

    Paradoxically (or not), we may see more of a contest now that the final two tests are dead rubbers, but as I said earlier, I think the Aussies are very committed to humiliating England further, and unless they take their feet off the pedal, I suspect it will run that way.

    South Africa was more competitive, IMO. They drew a live test, and the third one Smith effectively threw away. The result probably should have been 1-0.
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    Great call about Sri Lanka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nnanden


    76.2 Gillespie to Harmison, OUT! That`s ten for the innings! Gillespie bowls a shorter one which hits Harmison on his chest, Harmison screams like a girl and the vibrations from the noise dislodge the bails! Australia win 3-2, and it looks like Harmison has soiled himself. Great work by Gillespie to back-up his 500* in the first-innings. The 5th Test goes to Australia by 2 runs!
    Something like that. Or perhaps Flintoff falls over and slips when going for the winning runs,meaning he gets run out and Australia wins by one. Something really heart breaking for all those pasty poms, oh well, looks like I'll have to settle for a series whitewash bashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Love™
    I think the deadness of the pitches has probably extended the contests to a fair degree. Not to take away from some of the English performances with the bat, but I think it's been very difficult for the bowlers for quite long stretches of play, particularly towards the tail of the matches (the last day at Adelaide obviously being an aberration more revolving around the attitudes of the players concerned more than the pitch itself) - and England's bowling form, apart from one or two flashes (and discounting Panesar) has been frequently indifferent.

    They haven't been absolutely caned in every session of the match, and they've certainly won sessions, but I wouldn't call the series much of a contest so far. If you look at our tour of Sri Lanka, where we also won 3-0, that was actually far more of a contest, because you could easily see us losing any of those games at particular points. Doesn't feel that way (to me at least) here at all. And things will only look worse if this goes to 5-0, as it well might. The final margins of each test are very conclusive.

    Paradoxically (or not), we may see more of a contest now that the final two tests are dead rubbers, but as I said earlier, I think the Aussies are very committed to humiliating England further, and unless they take their feet off the pedal, I suspect it will run that way.

    South Africa was more competitive, IMO. They drew a live test, and the third one Smith effectively threw away. The result probably should have been 1-0.
    Yeah you're probably right, the pitches have played a part in this series. I did feel that SA could have won any of those games (innings lead in Perth, had Aus on the ropes in Melb and had they not dropped Hussey who knows, and they did throw away Sydney to try and level the series).

    Ironically SA were less competitive on their home soil.

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    I tried to bag them, but my thread got locked. Seems the English mods here are a bit sensitive to our ownership of their rabble of a cricket team.

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